[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

He is as we got got to see the Guilty Face
of a Church women who is a troll.

She was Located first.


The fact she topped herself is
down to her own private problem
of being Found Out
Live

..yeah, maybe she did have a 'problem' in how much her feelings for the McCanns absorbed her and maybe spent much pointless time of trying to 'expose' them in what she herself felt they were guilty of..as much as I don't condone what she did, at least she did it out of a 'passion'/something she felt strongly about...what he did in 'exposing' her was no better at all/irony...it's not up to the public/the media etc to 'expose' and decide where guilt should be laid..that is only for courts to decide otherwise all we have is glorified lynch mobs..wasn't that the whole point of why he 'located' her in the first place...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, maybe she did have a 'problem' in how much her feelings for the McCanns absorbed her and maybe spent much pointless time of trying to 'expose' them in what she herself felt they were guilty of..as much as I don't condone what she did, at least she did it out of a 'passion'/something she felt strongly about...what he did in 'exposing' her was no better at all/irony...it's not up to the public/the media etc to 'expose' and decide where guilt should be laid..that is only for courts to decide otherwise all we have is glorified lynch mobs..wasn't that the whole point of why he 'located' her in the first place...

Its Like she could no go into her Church
after being found out.



I want all Nasty Trolls Live on HD News
they won't all top themselves

[Ammi]

..the thing about it is, Arista...yeah, she probably said some extremely hateful things, I don't know all of them exactly because I'm not interested in reading such things and that was wrong...but someone who would do that imo, who would act in that way..?...can not themselves be a very happy person and may have very sad issues themselves in their lives...everything in life is just not so black and white, Arista...there should be laws stopping people like Martin Brunt 'exposing'...and I doubt he's feeling very good about it right now either...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..the thing about it is, Arista...yeah, she probably said some extremely hateful things, I don't know all of them exactly because I'm not interested in reading such things and that was wrong...but someone who would do that imo, who would act in that way..?...can not themselves be a very happy person and may have very sad issues themselves in their lives...everything in life is just not so black and white, Arista...there should be laws stopping people like Martin Brunt 'exposing'...and I doubt he's feeling very good about it right now either...

No
This the UK

Not America

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Its Like she could no go into her Church
after being found out.

I want all Nasty Trolls Live on HD News
they won't all top themselves

..it was for her to 'face' and live with if her faith was in 'love' and she was doing what she was doing..if she had a God that she felt she would have to 'answer to' then that's totally for her to accept and know...it wasn't up to him to 'play God' ...she hadn't been arrested or tried or convicted of anything...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

No
This the UK

Not America

...and UK human lives have a different value to other countries..?..

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...and UK human lives have a different value to other countries..?..

Yes

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..it was for her to 'face' and live with if her faith was in 'love' and she was doing what she was doing..if she had a God that she felt she would have to 'answer to' then that's totally for her to accept and know...it wasn't up to him to 'play God' ...she hadn't been arrested or tried or convicted of anything...

Sure
but she did not know when the Police would call on her
once Her close up had gone World Wide media



Her Face was on FoxNewsHD

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes

Originally Posted by arista

Sure
but she did not know when the Police would call on her
once gone World Wide media



Her Face was on FoxNewsHD

..so she made a choice or maybe that was an indication of her mental health and why she behaved as she did..maybe someone who needed help, which 'exposing' her would never do but it's good to know that we have people like Martin Brunt feeling it's their responsibility to decide these things...what would have helped the McCanns is to have looked at helping her...

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..so she made a choice or maybe that was an indication of her mental health and why she behaved as she did..maybe someone who needed help, which 'exposing' her would never do but it's good to know that we have people like Martin Brunt feeling it's their responsibility to decide these things...what would have helped the McCanns is to have looked at helping her...

Brunt was just doing his Job
well
Getting her as she came out of her home.


I hate the McCanns getting on any of my HD News
this troll did that


This troll could have been crazy
but she was well enough to drive her car


Its better one less Nasty Troll


Now keep the McCanns
off my HD News
unless its a real solid update on their murdered
missing child

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Brunt was just doing his Job well
Getting her as she came out of her home.


I hate the McCanns getting on any of my HD News
this troll did that


This troll could have been crazy
but she was well enough to drive her car


Its better one less Nasty Troll


Now keep the McCanns
off my HD News
unless its a real solid update on their murdered
missing child

..I'm sure that he has a great sense of satisfaction with that today...if it was your child or my child who had disappeared, we wouldn't want it off your HD news, we wouldn't want it to be 'forgotten' by anyone because the worst thing for a parent must be the 'not knowing'...what she did was wrong, she had no right to abuse anyone but she was more than just a 'troll' she was a person with family/friends and people who cared about her who are also now 'victims'...yes, some of that responsibility is her own..whether she was mentally healthy or not, I really don't know but some of the responsibility for the pain of others who knew her is also down to Martin Brunt ...

..and Arista, you say you only want 'real solid updates' of what happened to Madeleine and Martin Brunt didn't give those at all or even try to and you're saying...yay, well done/good job....what he did had no benefit to anyone except himself and now someone is dead and people are grieving ...job well done, Martin...

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

Brunt was just doing his Job
well
Getting her as she came out of her home.


I hate the McCanns getting on any of my HD News
this troll did that


This troll could have been crazy
but she was well enough to drive her car


Its better one less Nasty Troll


Now keep the McCanns
off my HD News
unless its a real solid update on their murdered
missing child

You seem to be missing a very fundamental point. In the UK people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. A reporter going on a self appointed witch hunt, is deplorable, and it would appear it has resulted in a woman's death. That is simply not acceptable. The reporter should be sacked, and SKY News held responsible.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm sure that he has a great sense of satisfaction with that today...if it was your child or my child who had disappeared, we wouldn't want it off your HD news, we wouldn't want it to be 'forgotten' by anyone because the worst thing for a parent must be the 'not knowing'...what she did was wrong, she had no right to abuse anyone but she was more than just a 'troll' she was a person with family/friends and people who cared about her who are also now 'victims'...yes, some of that responsibility is her own..whether she was mentally healthy or not, I really don't know but some of the responsibility for the pain of others who knew her is also down to Martin Brunt ...

..and Arista, you say you only want 'real solid updates' of what happened to Madeleine and Martin Brunt didn't give those at all or even try to and you're saying...yay, well done/good job....what he did had no benefit to anyone except himself and now someone is dead and people are grieving ...job well done, Martin...

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

You seem to be missing a very fundamental point. In the UK people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. A reporter going on a self appointed witch hunt, is deplorable, and it would appear it has resulted in a woman's death. That is simply not acceptable. The reporter should be sacked, and SKY News held responsible.

Trial by media is deplorable. If this lady had questions to answer, they should have been put to her by the police with someone to advise her. Not some hack journalist

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I passionately condemned on here, the internet trolling and hate campaign against the McCanns, and I still do not agree with it, but I must admit, after reading certain posts on here, following certain links on here, and following up with further reading, I am now not so certain as I was that the McCanns are innocent in all this. I just don't know now.

It's a pretty intriguing case when you start reading about it, isn't it? You can understand how people get so caught up in it

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

You seem to be missing a very fundamental point. In the UK people are innocent until proven guilty in a court of law. A reporter going on a self appointed witch hunt, is deplorable, and it would appear it has resulted in a woman's death. That is simply not acceptable. The reporter should be sacked, and SKY News held responsible.

No he was doing his normal Crime Reporting



SkyNewsHD
had no idea she was going to top herself
no fecking idea

[arista]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Trial by media is deplorable. If this lady had questions to answer, they should have been put to her by the police with someone to advise her. Not some hack journalist

Yes but the police were not at that stage yet.


SkyNewsHD
is Number 1 for Breaking News.

Its even on a YouTube ch
with no ads

[bots]

Originally Posted by arista

No he was doing his normal Crime Reporting



SkyNewsHD
had no idea she was going to top herself
no fecking idea

No, he took it upon himself to confront an innocent women and make her a public target, a disgrace. News reporters have a responsibility, and it doesn't include taking the law unto themselves, and proclaiming someone guilty.

[arista]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

No, he took it upon himself to confront an innocent women and make her a public target, a disgrace. News reporters have a responsibility, and it doesn't include taking the law unto themselves, and proclaiming someone guilty.

no he tracked her as the Guilty Troll



All Evil Troll Posters need to go on HD News
as we need to see them


Look at her - guilty as hell

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by arista

no he tracked her as the Guilty Troll



All Evil Troll Posters need to go on HD News
as we need to see them


Look at her - guilty as hell

Have you never heard of the sentiment 'Innocent until proven guilty' she was never tried, never questioned by police over the claims, but instead was hunted down by a rove reporter taking the law and the media into his own hands, which subsequently lead to the woman's death, he should be sacked for misconduct, harassment and slander.

[arista]

Originally Posted by LiamPRW

Have you never heard of the sentiment 'Innocent until proven guilty' she was never tried, never questioned by police over the claims, but instead was hunted down by a rove reporter taking the law and the media into his own hands, which subsequently lead to the woman's death, he should be sacked for misconduct, harassment and slander.

Yes I remember it from the past


No Slander
She said it was her - And so What?

[MTVN]

There's nothing wrong with exposing trolls in principle imo, in fact I think it's deserved if people revel in bullying and abusing people from behind a cloak of anonymity. Online trolls can and do ruin peoples lives as well, of course it's sad the way this has ended up but it's unfair to pin her death on Sky news.

[bots]

Originally Posted by MTVN

There's nothing wrong with exposing trolls in principle imo, in fact I think it's deserved if people revel in bullying and abusing people from behind a cloak of anonymity. Online trolls can and do ruin peoples lives as well, of course it's sad the way this has ended up but it's unfair to pin her death on Sky news.

I think its more than fair to pin it on Sky News. As a broadcaster, they have a responsibility to behave properly. Even if the person was guilty, it had not been proven, she had not been interviewed by the police. They took the law into their own hands and pronounced a verdict and made that known to millions. There are no circumstances that can be considered acceptable, whether the person was suspected or not.

Next we will have lynch mobs following the news team round, its absurd. At its most basic level, it is no different to what isis have done

[arista]

Originally Posted by MTVN

There's nothing wrong with exposing trolls in principle imo, in fact I think it's deserved if people revel in bullying and abusing people from behind a cloak of anonymity. Online trolls can and do ruin peoples lives as well, of course it's sad the way this has ended up but it's unfair to pin her death on Sky news.

You Are Most Wise

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I think its more than fair to pin it on Sky News. As a broadcaster, they have a responsibility to behave properly. Even if the person was guilty, it had not been proven, she had not been interviewed by the police. They took the law into their own hands and pronounced a verdict and made that known to millions. There are no circumstances that can be considered acceptable, whether the person was suspected or not.

Next we will have lynch mobs following the news team round, its absurd.

Well for one thing I'm not convinced that online trolling is a police matter, I'm quite uncomfortable with the increased policing of the internet and think the line is becoming increasingly blurred between free speech and criminalised speech. But while I might not be comfortable with online trolls being criminalised for their abuse, I'm not opposed to them being exposed and publicly embarrassed for what they have done because they do deserve to be. It might make people think more about what they say from behind their anonymous cloak and make others realise that just because your words from an anonymous keyboard it doesn't mean they are acceptable and it doesn't have any less impact on victims. It might drum home the simple rule that you shouldn't say things over the internet that you wouldn't be prepared to say in public or to someone's face.

[bots]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Well for one thing I'm not convinced that online trolling is a police matter, I'm quite uncomfortable with the increased policing of the internet and think the line is becoming increasingly blurred between free speech and criminalised speech. But while I might not be comfortable with online trolls being criminalised for their abuse, I'm not opposed to them being exposed and publicly embarrassed for what they have done because they do deserve to be. It might make people think more about what they say from behind their anonymous cloak and make others realise that just because your words from an anonymous keyboard it doesn't mean they are acceptable and it doesn't have any less impact on victims. It might drum home the simple rule that you shouldn't say things over the internet that you wouldn't be prepared to say in public or to someone's face.

I understand what you are saying however there has always been a legal distinction between saying something and writing something, and under those circumstances facebook, forums and twatter legally fall under the latter. The point remains that Sky are not the public appointed judge and jury, they have a social responsibility to act in an appropriate manner. They didn't do that in this case, and its not the first time either, its not so long ago they were sifting through the personal belongings of those who lost their lives in the downed aircraft in the Ukraine. That was interfering with evidence. They need to act responsibly.