[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Shaun

Remind me again why we have lords

house of lords literally needs to be abolished

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

house of lords literally needs to be abolished

I don't know about abolished Josh but maybe that will in the end be the only way to fully reform it.

I am not really in favour of another elected 2nd chamber, with elections likely taking place halfway through one Parliament and then more problems caused by the 2nd chamber.

The Lords, have on a good few occasions curbed the extremes of some policies from Govts. by delaying the process and sending things back to the Commons to be voted on again.
It has its uses at times but it does need reforming and also to be made far more representative of the Country as a whole.

I actually doubt however that any major Lords reform will happen for a very long time.
It is one of those things that gets talked about a lot but never even gets to the first steps let alone all the way as to the journey of major reform.

[lostalex]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I don't know about abolished Josh but maybe that will in the end be the only way to fully reform it.

I am not really in favour of another elected 2nd chamber, with elections likely taking place halfway through one Parliament and then more problems caused by the 2nd chamber.

The Lords, have on a good few occasions curbed the extremes of some policies from Govts. by delaying the process and sending things back to the Commons to be voted on again.
It has its uses at times but it does need reforming and also to be made far more representative of the Country as a whole.

I actually doubt however that any major Lords reform will happen for a very long time.
It is one of those things that gets talked about a lot but never even gets to the first steps let alone all the way as to the journey of major reform.

You shouldn't need the Lords to do that though. A proper Constitution/Bill of Rights could serve the same purpose of protection.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You shouldn't need the Lords to do that though. A proper Constitution/Bill of Rights could serve the same purpose of protection.

It goes back
from before America was born
The Lords is still needed in England


Those old gits get £300 a day tax free
because they made the rules up
that needs to change

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by lostalex

You shouldn't need the Lords to do that though. A proper Constitution/Bill of Rights could serve the same purpose of protection.

I agree Lostalex, however it is by whom such a bill of rights would be made from and more to the point who puts the input into compiling same.

Sadly the Political parties in the UK are too full of self interest and one party,in fact 2 of them together,could not be, (I certainly wouldn't),be trusted to bring in such a bill of rights.

It is something that would need the biggest consultation yet of the whole of the people of the UK and all the areas of interested parties too, finally the cooperation of full areement for all inclusions by all the Parties of the whole UK too.

Therein lies the UKs major problem as to the people it elects to power,in the absence of all that, it would seem it is the Lords chamber that we are stuck with.
I really cannot see a major change coming about at all,(although I would love to see it happen),this is always an issue that just gets a lot of hot air said as to it but then always gets shelved by all Govts.