[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by bobnot

Look im not a religious person nor do i judge anyone that is religious infact i don't judge anybody based on belief,sexuality,colour of skin or anything other than how they behave as a person i treat them based on how they treat me and that's it everyone is equal and i wish everyone thought the same.

Ok mate - I accept what you're saying and actually agree with you. I wish everyone was the same.

[LeatherTrumpet]

I am perched for the Turin Shroud thread tomorrow...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am perched for the Turin Shroud thread tomorrow...

You are a very, very funny and witty person LT, but you have just proved the old adage; 'Many a true word spoken in jest', and I am seriously thinking of starting a thread on just that topic ------ Or maybe not.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Yeah exactly.

My own opinion on it is that it was her minds way of coping and getting her through the awful situation she was in. The mind is a very powerful thing, she may not have had hallucinations before but she was probably never in such a traumatic situation before that either

This is what i was going to say(type) too.This imo is a far more likely scenario than Jesus showing up AFTER she was raped to tell her everything's ok.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

You are a very, very funny and witty person LT, but you have just proved the old adage; 'Many a true word spoken in jest', and I am seriously thinking of starting a thread on just that topic ------ Or maybe not.

This is weird.As i read this post Terry Wogan just said on telly "many a true word spoken in jest",For real.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

This is weird.As i read this post Terry Wogan just said on telly "many a true word spoken in jest",For real.

dont get him on about synchronisity

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How was I ridiculing the woman? It was Kirk that suggested someone seeing Richard Dawkins, that idea to me is really funny, why would anyone see a vision of Richard Dawkins, he's not exactly a comforting figure. Glad to know you think that lowly of me though that I'd mock a woman who was kidnapped and raped, cheers for that.

I don't think lowly of you. Neither did I say you were mocking the woman per se, but mocking the situation. I consider you my friend, but we're allowed to disagree.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by bobnot

You entered the thread with the default standpoint of your point of view being superior to anybody else's that has shown the audacity to not be religious and that to not be religious is somehow offensive and inferior. I have never passed judgement on anybodys religion nor have i ever ridiculed anybody for their beliefs but it pisses me off when anybody of any religion jumps on the superiority train or even (as the opening post in this thread suggested before it was edited) trys to suggest their standpoint is in any way better than anybody elses.
The victim standpoint is just low if you are going to jump on the this is always the way they react train then expect to get picked up on it.


edit: Damn this is a crap post but yes Livia you annoyed me

Bob, I have never viewed my standpoint on religion as being superior to anyone. I don't expect people to accept my religion and I would never say it was right and others' beliefs were wrong, nor would I encourage anyone to think anything but what they want to think. If people don't believe, that's up to them and I totally respect their right to believe in anything they like, or not to believe in anything. It just saddens me that whenever there's a discussion about religion people who don't believe give the impression that people who do believe are stupid. I don't even think people realise they're doing it! On the "what religion are you" thread, Niamh (I love you Niamh, but you did say this...) said "I was a Catholic until I was old enough to think for myself", suggesting that people who are religious can't think for themselves.

I would just like people to cut others some slack when it comes to religion. Disagree with it, argue against it, but you have no more proof that God doesn't exist than I have that he does.

Sorry I annoyed you Bob, but your pic annoyed me too x

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't think lowly of you. Neither did I say you were mocking the woman per se, but mocking the situation. I consider you my friend, but we're allowed to disagree.

Everything I said when I was talking about actual events surrounding that woman were respectful, I have nothing but sympathy for her. What I said about Richard Dawkins appearing in a vision was directed at Kirks rather absurd (and he admitted himself, he said it for a bit of mischief) suggestion that an atheist should be more likely to have a vision of Richard Dawkins. Yes of course we can disagree on a topic Livia, I have no issue with that but being told that my comments were ridiculling a woman who's been kidnapped and raped, I just find insulting.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Everything I said when I was talking about actual events surrounding that woman were respectful, I have nothing but sympathy for her. What I said about Richard Dawkins appearing in a vision was directed at Kirks rather absurd (and he admitted himself, he said it for a bit of mischief) suggestion that an atheist should be more likely to have a vision of Richard Dawkins. Yes of course we can disagree on a topic Livia, I have no issue with that but being told that my comments were ridiculling a woman who's been kidnapped and raped, I just find insulting.

I didn't mean it like that Niamh, and I apologise unreservedly if I have offended you x

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I didn't mean it like that Niamh, and I apologise unreservedly if I have offended you x

OK

[LeatherTrumpet]

Jesus would be proud of you both

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Jesus would be proud of you both

Who?

[Niamh.]

[Dollface]

I agree with pretty much everything Livia said (especially the "you have no more proof that God doesn't exist than i have that he does) so true.

I watched the documentary about Stephanie Slater, really horrible what she went through.
My uncle (who sadly is now an angel) was an Atheist, but he saw God whilst he was in hospital with a serious illness. I know peoples minds can play tricks on them when they're in a state of shock or whatever but my uncle really believed he saw God (even though he'd been an Atheist his whole life) and i believe he did too.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

This is what i was going to say(type) too.This imo is a far more likely scenario than Jesus showing up AFTER she was raped to tell her everything's ok.

It didn't happen quite like that Eyeball, Jesus never said anything. It was just a 'vision' of him she saw.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by EyeballPaul

This is weird.As i read this post Terry Wogan just said on telly "many a true word spoken in jest",For real.

Synchronicity - another thing LT won't accept even if faced by 10,000 cases of hard evidence from people on here or anywhere for that matter.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I agree with pretty much everything Livia said (especially the "you have no more proof that God doesn't exist than i have that he does) so true.

I watched the documentary about Stephanie Slater, really horrible what she went through.
My uncle (who sadly is now an angel) was an Atheist, but he saw God whilst he was in hospital with a serious illness. I know peoples minds can play tricks on them when they're in a state of shock or whatever but my uncle really believed he saw God (even though he'd been an Atheist his whole life) and i believe he did too.

My mum thought she had a mouse in her shed for a week once and would not go into it - when i got there it turned out to be an old banana. She was truly convinced it was a mouse.

I believe she thought she did too.

[LeatherTrumpet]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Synchronicity - another thing LT won't accept even if faced by 10,000 cases of hard evidence from people on here or anywhere for that matter.

10,000 cases?

2 people on Tibb have had a coincidence in about a month

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dollface

I agree with pretty much everything Livia said (especially the "you have no more proof that God doesn't exist than i have that he does) so true.

I watched the documentary about Stephanie Slater, really horrible what she went through.
My uncle (who sadly is now an angel) was an Atheist, but he saw God whilst he was in hospital with a serious illness. I know peoples minds can play tricks on them when they're in a state of shock or whatever but my uncle really believed he saw God (even though he'd been an Atheist his whole life) and i believe he did too.

I remember reading an account of when Apple's Steve Jobs died. As he was dying he is reported to have looked past his family and his last words were, "Oh wow, oh wow, oh wow..." Who knows what he saw? Who knows whether it was real, or whether it was a misfiring synapse somewhere in his hippocampus throwing up an old memory? No one knows and no one will know until their time is up. Until then, this event obviously gave comfort to his family and to others with terminal illness, and I can't see that as a bad thing.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

My mum thought she had a mouse in her shed for a week once and would not go into it - when i got there it turned out to be an old banana. She was truly convinced it was a mouse.

I believe she thought she did too.

That's a lovely story, Trumpet.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

I remember reading an account of when Apple's Steve Jobs died. As he was dying he is reported to have looked past his family and his law words were, "Oh wow, oh wow, oh wow..." Who knows what he saw? Who knows whether it was real, or whether it was a misfiring synapse somewhere in his hippocampus throwing up an old memory? No one knows and no one will know until their time is up. Until then, this event obviously gave comfort to his family and to others with terminal illness, and I can't see that as a bad thing.

This I agree with

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

This I agree with

Dream team back on track x

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Livia

I remember reading an account of when Apple's Steve Jobs died. As he was dying he is reported to have looked past his family and his last words were, "Oh wow, oh wow, oh wow..." Who knows what he saw? Who knows whether it was real, or whether it was a misfiring synapse somewhere in his hippocampus throwing up an old memory? No one knows and no one will know until their time is up. Until then, this event obviously gave comfort to his family and to others with terminal illness, and I can't see that as a bad thing.

Exactly!

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Dream team back on track x

Indeed