[Cherry Christmas]

It will come to a point where nobody will stick their neck out to help anyone, anyone would think Bob was advocating conscripting the unemployed and shipping them to Liberia to nurse the sick rather than asking people to buy a 1.99 single

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

YOU were the one to raise those points in the first place.

If they're irrelevant to what you want to say then keep your weak irrelevant points out of the thread.

Gets on phone to call Michael Buffer. Headlines looming; "Will this fight eclipse Bellew v Cleverly 2?".

"Let's get ready to ruuuuummmmbbbble!"

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It will come to a point where nobody will stick their neck out to help anyone, anyone would think Bob was advocating conscripting the unemployed and shipping them to Liberia to nurse the sick rather than asking people to buy a 1.99 single

What an absolutely spliffing, splendiferous idea Cherie!!! Must text Cameron.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It will come to a point where nobody will stick their neck out to help anyone, anyone would think Bob was advocating conscripting the unemployed and shipping them to Liberia to nurse the sick rather than asking people to buy a 1.99 single

It is like people on this thread have not grasped how much we give to Africa and what we have done already


i give up..

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Nigeria, which is very close to the 3 main infected countries, declared its self Ebola free mid October.

If they can do this and they are in West Africa and the most populous country then what does that tell you about urgency?

http://www.who.int/mediacentre/news/...tober-2014/en/

Interesting article - especially;

"Nigeria is Africa’s most populous country and its newest economic powerhouse."

Probably all the trillions of pounds Nigerians rake in every year from all their pathetic internet scamming.

In any event, just because Nigeria has its house in order does not mean that there is not great urgency to combat this virus - such a suggestion is totally preposterous.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Interesting article - especially;

"Nigeria is Africa’s most populous country and its newest economic powerhouse."

Probably all the trillions of pounds Nigerians rake in every year from all their pathetic internet scamming.

In any event, just because Nigeria has its house in order does not mean that there is not great urgency to combat this virus - such a suggestion is totally preposterous.

why

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

It is like people on this thread have not grasped how much we give to Africa and what we have done already


i give up..

Oh I didn't know we HAD to buy the single

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

YOU were the one to raise those points in the first place.

If they're irrelevant to what you want to say then keep your weak irrelevant points out of the thread.

I don't consider them irrelevant but you implied that my entire problem with the Band Aid concept, and the way Geldof sells it, is based on what he (ok, ok, "allegedly") said about Adele and me having some sort of "odd fixation" on him / disliking him for this and because of his family issues... which completely ignores the majority of my other posts in the thread which didn't reference either of these two factors at all

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

why

Because the virus is the perfect organism.

Because the Ebola virus is highly contagious.

Because we don't yet understand everything about it

Because the Ebola virus is so potentially lethal.

Because our preventative policies are woefully inadequate.

Because the sooner any war is won, the fewer the causalities.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh yeah, that'll be why he's still on my telly.

Well tbf here the only time I have personally noticed/heard of Bob in any media at all for the past while is due to his daughters death and then on the xfactor promoting the band aid single but like I say that's just my personal thoughts.

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Like I said before, charity singles benefit those involved more than the charity they're helping. Why do you think the X-Factor has a charity single every year? It's because it's a bit of good press, a guaranteed No1 single and it leads to a nice little VT which shows off the contestants' softer sides that'll lead to a nice bump in potential votes. Band Aid is no different, every act involved and Bob Geldof all benefit from the publicity and it's an easy No1. Charity Singles are a cynical business and all involved are profiting in some way from a tragedy which is why I never support any of them and instead donate directly to the charities themselves

Surely any press is a good thing when the sole purpose is raising awareness though, the song reaching number one even better?

This is why I don't understand why people are getting so worked up about this, even if it does benefit the celebs that are taking the time out of their own lives to do it, what does that matter? as long as the main point gets across about this virus and who better to put that point across than people that are looked up to in a way.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't consider them irrelevant but you implied that my entire problem with the Band Aid concept, and the way Geldof sells it, is based on what he (ok, ok, "allegedly") said about Adele and me having some sort of "odd fixation" on him / disliking him for this and because of his family issues... which completely ignores the majority of my other posts in the thread which didn't reference either of these two factors at all

I didn't imply those were the only things at all. I was mocking your irrelevant points.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It will come to a point where nobody will stick their neck out to help anyone, anyone would think Bob was advocating conscripting the unemployed and shipping them to Liberia to nurse the sick rather than asking people to buy a 1.99 single

Its actually crazy the backlash about this, yet think of all these people saying what a great job the celebs done raising awareness for when they jumped on the 'ice water' bandwagon..

[Vicky.]

I do believe that a lot of the time these charity things are self-serving. Especially in Bobs case tbh. However...it does raise awareness and cash for good causes, so I dont see the need to get worked up about it.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

They need famous artists to help promote it. No one would take notice if thy put unknown singers.

Yes,Exactly.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It will come to a point where nobody will stick their neck out to help anyone, anyone would think Bob was advocating conscripting the unemployed and shipping them to Liberia to nurse the sick rather than asking people to buy a 1.99 single

Haven't seen anyone on here say they wouldn't give to a charity for ebola. Lots of people have already donated. It isn't like no one gave anything until Bob stepped up and pricked everyone's conscience, although that's what's coming across.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Josy

Well tbf here the only time I have personally noticed/heard of Bob in any media at all for the past while is due to his daughters death and then on the xfactor promoting the band aid single but like I say that's just my personal thoughts.



Surely any press is a good thing when the sole purpose is raising awareness though, the song reaching number one even better?

This is why I don't understand why people are getting so worked up about this, even if it does benefit the celebs that are taking the time out of their own lives to do it, what does that matter? as long as the main point gets across about this virus and who better to put that point across than people that are looked up to in a way.

It's Ebola, it doesn't exactly need more awareness when the media has been dominated with stories about it for months. At this point everyone knows what Ebola is. It doesn't need a prick with a Messiah Complex to muddy the understanding of Africa's situation and the virus whilst lining his own pockets at it's expense.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Livia

Haven't seen anyone on here say they wouldn't give to a charity for ebola. Lots of people have already donated. It isn't like no one gave anything until Bob stepped up and pricked everyone's conscience, although that's what's coming across.

No what is coming across is a lot of cynicism about Geldofs actions, and dragging his reputation and his relationship with his family into the argument just for the hell of it.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Josy

Its actually crazy the backlash about this, yet think of all these people saying what a great job the celebs done raising awareness for when they jumped on the 'ice water' bandwagon..

That's a very good point.

[Josy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It's Ebola, it doesn't exactly need more awareness when the media has been dominated with stories about it for months. At this point everyone knows what Ebola is. It doesn't need a prick with a Messiah Complex to muddy the understanding of Africa's situation and the virus whilst lining his own pockets at it's expense.

It actually does need more awareness and lots of it, especially since there is still a slim risk that it could reach the UK at some point, hell there was even members on here debating it in the other thread that clearly had no understanding of the virus at all apart from the name... They had no idea how it spreads, the incubation time frame and so on, so if it takes some high profile people like the celebrities to make more people aware of it then it can only be a good thing regardless of who organised it, it's getting a great amount of exposure and like mentioned a lot in the thread no one is being forced to buy it.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

No what is coming across is a lot of cynicism about Geldofs actions, and dragging his reputation and his relationship with his family into the argument just for the hell of it.

Well said! whatever anyones bizarre imagination cooks up as to his alternative agenda for raising awareness the fact is he is... And getting 1D involved? Masterstroke.

[GypsyGoth]

More money is going to be there to fight this virus thanks to the charity single. Geldolf comes across as a bit of a crusader, but the end result is that there will be more resources to fight this problem that is facing a part of the world.

What's better? Doing nothing, him behaving like most of the rest of us who don't t give a damn about ebola. Or him trying his best to help, devoting his time, energy and influence.

Even if his efforts just save one person, isn't that enough to justify his actions.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by GypsyGoth

More money is going to be there to fight this virus thanks to the charity single. Geldolf comes across as a bit of a crusader, but the end result is that there will be more resources to fight this problem that is facing a part of the world.

What's better? Doing nothing, him behaving like most of the rest of us who don't t give a damn about ebola. Or him trying his best to help, devoting his time, energy and influence.

Even if his efforts just save one person, isn't that enough to justify his actions.

But it's getting his face on the TV and newspapers. Doing good for the world pales into comparison when it gives him some fame.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Josy

It actually does need more awareness and lots of it, especially since there is still a slim risk that it could reach the UK at some point, hell there was even members on here debating it in the other thread that clearly had no understanding of the virus at all apart from the name... They had no idea how it spreads, the incubation time frame and so on, so if it takes some high profile people like the celebrities to make more people aware of it then it can only be a good thing regardless of who organised it, it's getting a great amount of exposure and like mentioned a lot in the thread no one is being forced to buy it.

I wouldn't even say it's raised awareness of Ebola that much and it certainly hasn't educated anyone on how it spreads. It's done more to raise awareness of Bob Geldof than anything else and, unless there's a verse I've missed which details how Ebola is spread and how to avoid it, it's not educating people either.

It's just a shallow gesture that ultimately serves the celeb's interests above all else.

If Bob Geldof made an appeal that didn't present himself as Africa's sole Savior and instead highlighted the plight and the people that are actually doing something significant to prevent the spread of Ebola then I'd support it but I can't support something as self serving as this 'charity' single.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Josy

It actually does need more awareness and lots of it, especially since there is still a slim risk that it could reach the UK at some point, hell there was even members on here debating it in the other thread that clearly had no understanding of the virus at all apart from the name... They had no idea how it spreads, the incubation time frame and so on, so if it takes some high profile people like the celebrities to make more people aware of it then it can only be a good thing regardless of who organised it, it's getting a great amount of exposure and like mentioned a lot in the thread no one is being forced to buy it.

Yes. And just to reinforce your points about Geldorf raising awareness - or polarising it as I like to think of it - 149 posts on this thread alone as a result of this single.

If this single can stir up so much controversy and move so many people to post on the subject just on this forum, then those claiming Geldorf and his single are redundant better think again, because we may or may not all have been aware of Ebola, but nobody was even talking about it until this subject came along.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I wouldn't even say it's raised awareness of Ebola that much and it certainly hasn't educated anyone on how it spreads. It's done more to raise awareness of Bob Geldof than anything else and, unless there's a verse I've missed which details how Ebola is spread and how to avoid it, it's not educating people either.

It's just a shallow gesture that ultimately serves the celeb's interests above all else.

If Bob Geldof made an appeal that didn't present himself as Africa's sole Savior and instead highlighted the plight and the people that are actually doing something significant to prevent the spread of Ebola then I'd support it but I can't support something as self serving as this 'charity' single.

Hasn't raised awareness that much...did you watch x factor on sunday? And 1D are on it...look at their UK and US fanbase. Some of the fans of the show are maybe not as up on their contemporary issues as others but I would think that this effort helped.
He has nothing to promote has he? no new music, book so what is the benefit I don't see it.
Even ( And I don't think for a second you are) if he was doing it for those reasons you claim it's raising funds that are badly needed in the process so who cares.
As said if you don't agree with the methods, the man or the music don't buy it easy as.