[Kizzy]

That's disturbing... he left the gun on the table and yet they screech up and shoot him at almost point blank range?
It looks more like a GTA hit

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Josy

Used a taser or if he felt the need to shoot then NOT shoot to kill, especially a child.

this was covered earlier in the thread

[Crimson Dynamo]

so from the video

The youth had his hood up and cap on so it would have been hard to assess age

the cops arrived quick and he made a move for the gun which they thought real


the cops instinctively shot him fearing for his own life



Its a tragic event that could have played out many ways, especially with hindsight.

[Nedusa]

As I have said earlier in this thread and the other related thread these incidents will continue to happen in the US due to the simple fact that the place is awash with guns and the Police shoot first and ask questions later out of a sense of survival.

The US authorities cannot realistically prosecute or indict these Police officers no matter how absurd the circumstances of their actions ie shooting an innocent youngster black or white or an elderly person or even a disabled person. Because the authorities know if they start sending Police officers to prison where they will most certainly struggle to survive they will lose most of their law enforcement resources.

And then you will have urban Anarchy with the National Guard coming in and trying to police these problem areas with a massive increase in the loss of life.

Even if the authorities try and set the procedures for officers to use their guns , in the heat of the moment untrained or inexperienced officers will always shoot first if they feel threatened.

I do not think this is a racist problem as unpalatable as it sounds a higher proportion blacks in the US are in the category where they confront police than their non black counterparts.

So these incidents of killing unarmed youngsters are more likely to be black youngsters than white youngsters. But that's another debate.

I honestly think the Gun lobby in the US needs to be tackled along with the whole issue of uncontrolled gun ownership. Only when you have taken half a BILLION guns off the streets in the US we might have a chance to address these unfortunate shootings.




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[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Ammi

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...r-rice-n256656

...he was shot within seconds/his body falls, in fact almost before the police car came to a halt...and when they arrived, he didn't have the fake gun in his hands but they approached and stopped right in front of him in a 'confrontational' way, rather than with 'caution' and more from a distance and then attempt to approach him and talk to him...there doesn't appear to be any attempt at 'law and order' ..also, from the distance they stopped and assuming that they have 20/20 vision as they carry firearms...could they not see that this was a very young person ...

omg that's awful, they literally just pulled up and shot him

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

so from the video

The youth had his hood up and cap on so it would have been hard to assess age

the cops arrived quick and he made a move for the gun which they thought real


the cops instinctively shot him fearing for his own life



Its a tragic event that could have played out many ways, especially with hindsight.

wow I actually can't believe you're still defending the police after watching that video. There was no hanging back and assessing the situation before opening fire, no trying to negotiate with him or anything. There was no people around him so it wouldn't have been risking lives to try and sort the situation out without a dead body

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

wow I actually can't believe you're still defending the police after watching that video. There was no hanging back and assessing the situation before opening fire, no trying to negotiate with him or anything. There was no people around him so it wouldn't have been risking lives to try and sort the situation out without a dead body

You only see a section of the incident. You dont see the cop car before it comes into the scene or what was shouted etc

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...r-rice-n256656

...he was shot within seconds/his body falls, in fact almost before the police car came to a halt...and when they arrived, he didn't have the fake gun in his hands but they approached and stopped right in front of him in a 'confrontational' way, rather than with 'caution' and more from a distance and then attempt to approach him and talk to him...there doesn't appear to be any attempt at 'law and order' ..also, from the distance they stopped and assuming that they have 20/20 vision as they carry firearms...could they not see that this was a very young person ...

Yes but in America
Police are like that
if the know someone has a Gun

[Kizzy]

Then what's the use of having a justice system if the police are judge, jury and executioner?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Actually Neem this thread title is wrong and misleading and should really be changed

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Actually Neem this thread title is wrong and misleading and should really be changed

It's very accurate

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's very accurate

No it is not, he was not shot dead for carrying a fake gun and you know that


The Policemen had no idea the gun was fake so it is wrong.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

No it is not, he was not shot dead for carrying a fake gun and you know that


The Policemen had no idea the gun was fake so it is wrong.

How about I change it to "12 year old boy shot dead by trigger happy Policeman who was in too much of a gung ho rush to diffuse the situation in a dead-bodyless manner" ?

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

How about I change it to "12 year old boy shot dead by trigger happy Policeman who was in too much of a gung ho rush to diffuse the situation in a dead-bodyless manner" ?

or how about why was a 12 year old boy not in school and wandering around a park with a replica gun made to look like a real gun to anyone but an expert who could examine it?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

or how about why was a 12 year old boy not in school and wandering around a park with a replica gun made to look like a real gun to anyone but an expert who could examine it?

presumably because it was a Saturday

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

presumably because it was a Saturday

Recordings of radio communications reveal a police officer at the scene describing Tamir Rice as aged "maybe 20" after the shooting.

A separate recording appears to confirm the officers were not told the gun might be fake.

In a recording immediately after the incident, a police officer is heard saying: "Shots fired, male down, black male, maybe 20."

A recording of the call from the operator to police officers as they were dispatched to the scene appears to confirm that there was no mention of a replica gun.

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-us-canada-30214859

A replica gun is a replica of a real gun

a fake gun could be a potato gun or a cap gun. A replica gun is a whole different ball game.

12 year old Boy shot dead by police was brandishing a modified replica gun

[Niamh.]

The boy was 12, the gun was fake, the title is accurate. No matter what the Police Officers were told, I watched the video they handled that badly whether they thought the boy was an adult or not

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The boy was 12, the gun was fake, the title is accurate. No matter what the Police Officers were told, I watched the video they handled that badly whether they thought the boy was an adult or not

You are saying he was killed for carrying a fake gun and that is rubbish


He was shot for making a move to pull a gun that the policeman thought was real and unless the officer took the gun in his hand and looked at it for a few minutes there is no way at all he could have known it was not real. At the time of the incident the fact the gun was a replica is a moot point.



The thread title is inaccurate, prejudiced and sensationalist

[Niamh.]

The thread title is staying and is accurate.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

The thread title is staying and is accurate.

Neem what are you on about it is patently not accurate?



You are suggesting the boy was killed because he had a "fake gun"?

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Neem what are you on about it is patently not accurate?



You are suggesting the boy was killed because he had a "fake gun"?

The gun he was carrying was fake, if he hadn't been carrying that fake gun then he wouldn't have been killed.....so yes

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Neem what are you on about it is patently not accurate?



You are suggesting the boy was killed because he had a "fake gun"?

You're arguing about the thread title now? Reaching

The Vid is pretty damning the cops opened up with no questions asked. Two of them couldnt disarm an child with a fake gun, The more you argue that the cops thoght he was twenty the more you make them look incompetent. They incorrectly thought the gun was real, they incorrectly thought the kid was twenty they dont seem to have particularly good judgment.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

You only see a section of the incident. You dont see the cop car before it comes into the scene or what was shouted etc

But you were ready to make all kind of conclusions based n that vid but now you're not sure.

I also dont see how that would change the situation perhaps you should elaborate on yet another of your posts that doesnt seem to make sense. It seems to be yet more if's, buts and maybes on your part. What could the kid have shouted for the cops to roll up shoot him to death within two seconds of arriving at the scene?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

As I have said earlier in this thread and the other related thread these incidents will continue to happen in the US due to the simple fact that the place is awash with guns and the Police shoot first and ask questions later out of a sense of survival.

The US authorities cannot realistically prosecute or indict these Police officers no matter how absurd the circumstances of their actions ie shooting an innocent youngster black or white or an elderly person or even a disabled person. Because the authorities know if they start sending Police officers to prison where they will most certainly struggle to survive they will lose most of their law enforcement resources.

And then you will have urban Anarchy with the National Guard coming in and trying to police these problem areas with a massive increase in the loss of life.

Even if the authorities try and set the procedures for officers to use their guns , in the heat of the moment untrained or inexperienced officers will always shoot first if they feel threatened.

I do not think this is a racist problem as unpalatable as it sounds a higher proportion blacks in the US are in the category where they confront police than their non black counterparts.

So these incidents of killing unarmed youngsters are more likely to be black youngsters than white youngsters. But that's another debate.

I honestly think the Gun lobby in the US needs to be tackled along with the whole issue of uncontrolled gun ownership. Only when you have taken half a BILLION guns off the streets in the US we might have a chance to address these unfortunate shootings.




.

WHAT?

Where did you get that information from?

Youtube video

I could post twenty or thirty vids like and its hardy ever black people mouthing off at the cops. IF they did they'd be shot in the street and you'd see nothing wrong. The guy at the end spells it out perfectly.

[Crimson Dynamo]