[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...wearing a bathrobe is not provocative at all and even though it's irrelevant, there may have been reasons why she was naked underneath/she may just have got out of the shower etc and Jeremy being sick became a priority over putting anything else on because she was trying to help him...

I did a "Makvelli" I not actually in bed yet.. Listen..lets cut the crap and get to the facts.

1.She was naked under that robe.. No matter what you say.
2. He was off his face with drink (Not in a position to make true judgements of situations)
3. she leant in toward him like (He thought she was coming onto him)
4. he made a harmless ( MISJUDGED advance no body touching was involved) and I think Chloe overreacted. Just my opinion.
5. being dressed the way she was is not irrelevant. (as a heterosexual man if I see a page 3 capable girl dressed the way she was as close to me as that sorry but I am going to be a bit wel,l attracted .. I am only human)

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

I did a "Makvelli" I not actually in bed yet.. Listen..lets cut the crap and get to the facts.

1.She was naked under that robe.. No matter what you say.
2. He was off his face with drink (Not in a position to make true judgements of situations)
3. she leant in toward him like (He thought she was coming onto him)
4. he made a harmless ( MISJUDGED advance no body touching was involved) and I think Chloe overreacted. Just my opinion.

..yeah she was naked under the robe but many people do that, put a robe on after a shower etc...that's not provocative at all and I doubt that when she went to help him that there was a conscious thought of...oh hang on, I'm naked under this and even though he's being sick in the loo, he may misinterpret this because even if he hadn't been so drunk and ill...?...there are many, many housemates in the past who have gone into the loo together and felt perfectly safe in doing that...she said she leaned across him/not into him so still nothing provocative and there had been no previous flirting or anything between them so why also would that be misinterpreted...I don't think she over-reacted, I think her reaction was completely understandable with the shock of him doing what he did...I don't think that it's automatic that a drunk guy would assume to do what he did just because he was drunk..pulling her robe back was definitely an act that would make her feel vulnerable and he had no right to do it and no excuse...I do think though that there were other factors involved in BB removing him and it was the right decision because he just wasn't in a good place to be in that type of stressed environment...

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah she was naked under the robe but many people do that, put a robe on after a shower etc...that's not provocative at all and I doubt that when she went to help him that there was a conscious thought of...oh hang on, I'm naked under this and even though he's being sick in the loo, he may misinterpret this because even if he hadn't been so drunk and ill...?...there are many, many housemates in the past who have gone into the loo together and felt perfectly safe in doing that...she said she leaned across him/not into him so still nothing provocative and there had been no previous flirting or anything between them so why also would that be misinterpreted...I don't think she over-reacted, I think her reaction was completely understandable with the shock of him doing what he did...I don't think that it's automatic that a drunk guy would assume to do what he did just because he was drunk..pulling her robe back was definitely an act that would make her feel vulnerable and he had no right to do it and no excuse...I do think though that there were other factors involved in BB removing him and it was the right decision because he just wasn't in a good place to be in that type of stressed environment...

Right where I come from..when a guy is THAT DRUNK he is without doubt in a predicament where his judgement is IMPAIRED.... Would he have done that id sober? Do I really need to answer this.. look into your heart and ask yourself. And be honest. He is not a perv nor a bad person.. Just a bit unstable and was drunk. NOONE says what he did was right nor do I expect ANY woman to feel comfortable with that pretty much IN YOUR FACE attempt at getting some (Unless of course she wanted that) You need to think about it more.

The reason I feel so strongly is because well in my opinion she went a bit OTT, think if he had done that to Cami? He would probably have simply got a slap face or hand.. nothing would have been made of it.. Not saying Chloe is not affected she might well be, but for God sake dont treat the man like he raped her cos of THAT reaction.. THINK ABOUT IT PLEASE.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

Right where I come from..when a guy is THAT DRUNK he is without doubt in a predicament where his judgement is IMPAIRED.... Would he have done that id sober? Do I really need to answer this.. look into your heart and ask yourself. And be honest. He is not a perv nor a bad person.. Just a bit unstable and was drunk. NOONE says what he did was right nor do I expect ANY woman to feel comfortable with that pretty much IN YOUR FACE attempt at getting some (Unless of course she wanted that) You need to think about it more.

..no I don't think that he is a bad person, I don't think that he's mentally well atm though and especially enough to have gone on BB..but whatever the circumstances, the effect on Chloe is no lesser...what's annoying as well though..(and this isn't you but in general I mean..)...is that if a guy is drunk..?..then he can't be blamed for misjudging a situation etc, whereas if a female is drunk and then does get sexually assaulted because of her vulnerability...it's quite often seen as...well she should never have got that drunk/put herself in that situation...blame just so often is cast at the female, whatever the situation...

[Jose Mourinho]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..no I don't think that he is a bad person, I don't think that he's mentally well atm though and especially enough to have gone on BB..but whatever the circumstances, the effect on Chloe is no lesser...what's annoying as well though..(and this isn't you but in general I mean..)...is that if a guy is drunk..?..then he can't be blamed for misjudging a situation etc, whereas if a female is drunk and then does get sexually assaulted because of her vulnerability...it's quite often seen as...well she should never have got that drunk/put herself in that situation...blame just so often is cast at the female, whatever the situation...

Right I am actually in bed on my mobile now,DO NOT, compare that incident to sexual assault/ rape they are two
Completely different things. I would not be trying to explain why anyone would sexually assault/ rape someone, there is no place in the world for such behaviour,drunk or not. PLZ dont compare Jeremyville to anything of that nature.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Jose Mourinho

Right I am actually in bed on my mobile now,DO NOT, compare that incident to sexual assault/ rape they are two
Completely different things. I would not be trying to explain why anyone would sexually assault/ rape someone, there is no place in the world for such behaviour,drunk or not. PLZ dont compare Jeremyville to anything of that nature.

..of course it's not that extreme but it's still the analogy though of alcohol not being an excuse because it really isn't...there are many, many guys who would never have done what he did regardless of how much they had drunk..it would just not be in their mind-set at all..I do have sympathies for the bad pace he seems to be in atm but it could not be and can never be excused or acceptable, however drunk he was...anyway, yeah...you have a good sleep...