[Kyle]

Originally Posted by Tom!

this is disgusting
i can't believe this is being defended by people going 'they're just sticking to their religion, thats all!!!!1' when if this happened to someone because, say, their skin colour or nationality there would be more massive outrage

The Confederacy pointed to the bible to justify slavery. These will know doubt have justified themselves in a similar way.

Hiding behind 'sincerely held religious beliefs' doesn't wash for me as an excuse to discriminate.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

You asked for an example and I gave one.

As religious observance is the reason as stated I feel it would be harder to enforce any law seeing as that is also protected under the same law.

It's not protected under the same law. If it was a company refusing to do business with a person because of their religion then it would be covered but not whenit's the religous person doing the discriminating. It doesn't say discriminating against gay people is ok if you're a Christian/Muslim in brackets

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

It's not protected under the same law. If it was a company refusing to do business with a person because of their religion then it would be covered but not whenit's the religous person doing the discriminating. It doesn't say discriminating against gay people is ok if you're a Christian/Muslim in brackets

That may be the case, we shall see..
If he the person felt that gay marriage was against his religious principles then that's fair enough but if he the business is against it that might be seen as a separate issue.

[the truth]

who gives a sh*t if he doesn't want to , its up to him , end of chat

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That may be the case, we shall see..
If he the person felt that gay marriage was against his religious principles then that's fair enough but if he the business is against it that might be seen as a separate issue.

well, in their statement they say "We, at bealuh print are bible believing Christians" that sounds like it's the business who are taking this stance

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by the truth

who gives a sh*t if he doesn't want to , its up to him , end of chat

Not if he's breaking the law......

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

well, in their statement they say "We, at bealuh print are bible believing Christians" that sounds like it's the business who are taking this stance

It does, well we'll see if there's a prosecution.
Where is the statement from them?

[JoshBB]

In all honesty though I find it disgusting how these kind of mindsets exist in 2015.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It does, well we'll see if there's a prosecution.
Where is the statement from them?

It's in the OP at the end

[Kizzy]

Ah yes thought I'd seen it here somewhere.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not if he's breaking the law......

You keep saying it's against the law but to be honest the law is unenforceable because as this story proves , we have choice and our choices may be based on prejudices or even illegal prejudices but they are our choices none the less.

So this printer has the choice to decide who he gives this work to, and he can base that decision on any reasoning or set of wierd prejudices he sees fit, it is entirely up to him. He is giving out this work therefore he gets to decide.

Simple as that....... End of debate

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

You keep saying it's against the law but to be honest the law is unenforceable because as this story proves , we have choice and our choices may be based on prejudices or even illegal prejudices but they are our choices none the less.

So this printer has the choice to decide who he gives this work to, and he can base that decision on any reasoning or set of wierd prejudices he sees fit, it is entirely up to him. He is giving out this work therefore he gets to decide.

Simple as that....... End of debate

but it is against the law to discriminate against someone because of their sexual orientation. I posted the wording of the law a few posts back

[Benjamin]

I don't see the problem with the printers refusal. He wasn't rude about it, it's his beliefs, even if they are not mine or others. It's his business at the end of the day and if he wants to lose business by being like that then hey, that is his loss. I don't see why this is a news story to be quite honest.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

but it is against the law to discriminate against someone because of their sexual orientation. I posted the wording of the law a few posts back

Oh my God...... I know I agree the law is there and it is trying to stop assholes like this man discriminating in this case on the grounds of sexual orientation. But as I said it is unenforceable as this mans reasons for giving out this work are based on his own personal reasoning however warped that may be.

As this man stated his reasons for not giving out this work then for this reason the law may be able to be applied and this Printer may be shown the red card.

Ps - Niamh why are you still working , must be a very long day for you

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Oh my God...... I know I agree the law is there and it is trying to stop assholes like this man discriminating in this case on the grounds of sexual orientation. But as I said it is unenforceable as this mans reasons for giving out this work are based on his own personal reasoning however warped that may be.

As this man stated his reasons for not giving out this work then for this reason the law may be able to be applied and this Printer may be shown the red card.

Ps - Niamh why are you still working , must be a very long day for you

lol I'm at home, I'm not still at work

[empire]

the thing is, the church is part of irish culture, and its been like that for a long time,

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Not if he's breaking the law......

its not and if these easily offended idiots want to take it to court theyd get laughed out of court

[Glenn.]

Originally Posted by the truth

its not and if these easily offended idiots want to take it to court theyd get laughed out of court

Such a lovely use of words as ever.

[T*]

Originally Posted by the truth

its not and if these easily offended idiots want to take it to court theyd get laughed out of court

yeah about that
im sure hate crime/discrimination isnt laughed out of court

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Tom!

yeah about that
im sure hate crime/discrimination isnt laughed out of court

its hate crime youre lying

[Northern Monkey]

Hmm.I think some people are getting confused.He's not refusing the gay mans custom,He's just refusing to do that one job because it goes against his religion.He's taken this guys custom for 4 years already so has served him atleast 1-2 times before.He also said he would refuse to print nudey pics of women as that goes against his beliefs too.
He's not saying 'I won't serve you because you're gay' because he's served this man before,Infact for 4 years.He's saying he can't print out invs for a same sex marriage because it goes against his religion just as pics of naked women would too.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

The thing that really aggravates me about these stories is... and this isn't going to be popular... but if that couple had gone to a Muslim printer and he's refused them, I think most people would have said well, fair enough then...

Exactly Christians should have atleast the same rights as muslims.But this couple would'nt have gone to a muslim printers because they know the answer they'd get and they'd probably accept it easier because they're muslim.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I don't see the problem with the printers refusal. He wasn't rude about it, it's his beliefs, even if they are not mine or others. It's his business at the end of the day and if he wants to lose business by being like that then hey, that is his loss. I don't see why this is a news story to be quite honest.

Have you ever listened to Irish radio, the presenters love the sound of their own voice, and people love phoning in to have a whinge.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by empire

the thing is, the church is part of irish culture, and its been like that for a long time,

The same kind of thing happened in England, this sort of thing doesn't happen regularly over here I can assure you

[Kizzy]

* really want's to post the 'down with this sorta ting' gif *