[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I thought the whole concept of being subliminally influenced by a video game was a fallacy?...

I don't mean manipulated or programmed, I mean that it offers some quite overt messages about the establishment, authority, politics and western culture. The sort of things that many teens aren't naturally inclined to seek out - so it's a massive positive if they encounter these ideas when they're "just gaming".

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I don't mean manipulated or programmed, I mean that it offers some quite overt messages about the establishment, authority, politics and western culture. The sort of things that many teens aren't naturally inclined to seek out - so it's a massive positive if they encounter these ideas when they're "just gaming".

Oh, so they're a medium to influence young minds? I never thought a game about raping and killing people could be used in such a interesting and informative way.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh, so they're a medium to influence young minds? I never thought a game about raping and killing people could be used in such a interesting and informative way.

That's what I mean by ignorance, Kizzy... Grand theft auto isn't about raping and killing people. You CAN indiscriminately kill people, I'm sure a lot of people do, but you're not supposed to.

Its OK if you don't "get it" though Kizzy. The Media has been demonising gaming for years and GTA has taken a major chunk of it. It's OK that you've just accepted everything you've read or heard without actually having any clue about gaming as a creative medium. Totes OK.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

That's what I mean by ignorance, Kizzy... Grand theft auto isn't about raping and killing people. You CAN indiscriminately kill people, I'm sure a lot of people do, but you're not supposed to.

Its OK if you don't "get it" though Kizzy. The Media has been demonising gaming for years and GTA has taken a major chunk of it. It's OK that you've just accepted everything you've read or heard without actually having any clue about gaming as a creative medium. Totes OK.

My opinion of GTA isn't really the issue or relevant to the thread, I could've used any number of violent video game as an example.... If not being au fait with these games makes me ignorant then yes I am, and happy to be thankyou.
Can we get back to my topic now?

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

My opinion of GTA isn't really the issue or relevant to the thread, I could've used any number of violent video game as an example.... If not being au fait with these games makes me ignorant then yes I am, and happy to be thankyou.
Can we get back to my topic now?

You can, I'll pass.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Oh, so they're a medium to influence young minds? I never thought a game about raping and killing people could be used in such a interesting and informative way.

There's no raping to be found in GTA and you face consequences for killing indiscriminately.

Do you not think that something that contains violence cannot be informative or otherwise inspirational? Do you hold films and TV shows to the same standards?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

There's no raping to be found in GTA and you face consequences for killing indiscriminately.

Do you not think that something that contains violence cannot be informative or otherwise inspirational? Do you hold films and TV shows to the same standards?

I read about it a while ago and made reference to it, I don't hold anything to a standard I was objecting to the inference that they were a positive influence and an aid to heighten awareness of social and political issues via satire is all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/wom...ing-women.html

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I read about it a while ago and made reference to it, I don't hold anything to a standard I was objecting to the inference that they were a positive influence and an aid to heighten awareness of social and political issues via satire is all.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/women/wom...ing-women.html

Oh, a mod. Well there's nothing you could do about that. It's not a part of the game. It's something that's created and added by an individual.

You could mod a Peppa Pig game so that she goes around killing people and doing heroin but you wouldn't say that Peppa Pig endorses any of those things would you?

You can't hold developers responsible for what other people decide to do with their game in response to mods.