[arista]

"I am just getting more and more irrtitated and as to people I thought I liked too."


People change all the time
I posted a Video for Ammi
that brought tear to her eye


Utter Bliss

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Thank you for that, I appreciate this post from you.I also apologise for getting picky about it to you too.

Think I will keep off tibb most of the day, I am just getting more and more irrtitated and as to people I thought I liked too.

Tibb is not the best place to be during an election I am finding.

I get better debate with the people I talk to in their homes, at their doors and in the streets,who are at least open to listening.

Then you add the unnecessary bit at the end of your post,well my part at the top of this post stands,clearly your admitting you were wrong was only a token gesture,nothing else.

arista ,leave it there,I really cannot be bothered with this nonsense with you today.

To be fair Joey, you're being a little hard on people on here. You have very strong views which are admirable but others may have too and to say they are not open to listening is unfair really. They may listen but through their own findings and belief they don't agree with you on certain issues. That doesn't make them not open to listening, it just makes them as convicted to their views as you are to yours.

I very rarely get into political discussions and would never disclose my political leaning as I don't believe it is easy to debate such issues as people have strong views which are rarely changed but I find these threads have been very interesting and enlightening so I hope you continue to post.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To be fair Joey, you're being a little hard on people on here. You have very strong views which are admirable but others may have too and to say they are not open to listening is unfair really. They may listen but through their own findings and belief they don't agree with you on certain issues. That doesn't make them not open to listening, it just makes them as convicted to their views as you are to yours.

I very rarely get into political discussions and would never disclose my political leaning as I don't believe it is easy to debate such issues as people have strong views which are rarely changed but I find these threads have been very interesting and enlightening so I hope you continue to post.

Excellent post Annie.

I know Joey does feel strongly about his beliefs, he would make a great campaign manager, although I don't agree with some of his opinions, they are always an interesting read.
Come on Joey, get back in the debate, remember, if people don't agree with your opinions it is not a personal dig at you, just a simple difference of opinion, without which there would be no point in debates.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

To be fair Joey, you're being a little hard on people on here. You have very strong views which are admirable but others may have too and to say they are not open to listening is unfair really. They may listen but through their own findings and belief they don't agree with you on certain issues. That doesn't make them not open to listening, it just makes them as convicted to their views as you are to yours.

I very rarely get into political discussions and would never disclose my political leaning as I don't believe it is easy to debate such issues as people have strong views which are rarely changed but I find these threads have been very interesting and enlightening so I hope you continue to post.

I don't feel he is and to be fair Joey has been really objective and honest in his responses and in no way hard on anyone.
It's not helpful when not engaging yourself in a thread to post a rebuff on the behalf of other members in my experience.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't feel he is and to be fair Joey has been really objective and honest in his responses and in no way hard on anyone.
It's not helpful when not engaging yourself in a thread to post a rebuff on the behalf of other members in my experience.

No you are wrong
this is TIBB

not sub section Labour Party only

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I don't feel he is and to be fair Joey has been really objective and honest in his responses and in no way hard on anyone.
It's not helpful when not engaging yourself in a thread to post a rebuff on the behalf of other members in my experience.

But you feel ok in posting a rebuff on behalf of another member?

I can, and will comment as I wish as this is a public forum. Just because I haven't commented prior to this doesn't mean I haven't followed it avidly.

[arista]

Bang on Right

Public Forum
even the Irish

Not a Sub Section Labour Party only

[Kizzy]

It was only to highlight yours or I wouldn't obviously bother Annie, it just creates situations like this.
I thought the advice for serious debates was to comment on the thread topic not other members?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Bang on Right

Public Forum
even the Irish

Not a Sub Section Labour Party only

Even the Irish?... Niamh will be pleased.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Even the Irish?... Niamh will be pleased.

Yes a Top Irish Lady

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It was only to highlight yours or I wouldn't obviously bother Annie, it just creates situations like this.
I thought the advice for serious debates was to comment on the thread topic not other members?

This will be my last comment as I have no wish to derail the thread but my initial comment was in reply to joeys saying he was getting angry with members and saying that people were not listening. So I was commenting upon the thread topic, albeit indirectly in response to another comment on the thread topic. I truly respect all opinions on this forum but I don't always feel the need to comment but I can and will if I feel the need. I would certainly never disrespect Joey which is why I quoted him directly.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

This will be my last comment as I have no wish to derail the thread but my initial comment was in reply to joeys saying he was getting angry with members and saying that people were not listening. So I was commenting upon the thread topic, albeit indirectly in response to another comment on the thread topic. I truly respect all opinions on this forum but I don't always feel the need to comment but I can and will if I feel the need. I would certainly never disrespect Joey which is why I quoted him directly.

He said irritated and we all get irritated, it's no big deal and rare especially when there was an explanation to accompany the comment.
It is emotive, it's our futures, campaigning is hard I can understand the frustration. It wasn't venting I don't feel that's Joeys style

[arista]

"It wasn't venting I don't feel that's Joeys style "


I do
People change all the time
I like Tough Joey

[joeysteele]

Right,AnnieK and Smudgie, I always respect others views but if I think they are wrong views then I will obviously keep on with my own.

I have made very strong, true and valid points that cannot in my view, be fairly challenged but get a curt response and off topic ones at times too.
That is fine, I deal with that by re-iterationg my own points as I have always done.
I see no reason why you felt any need to raise this issue between arista and myself anyway.
I have no problem at all with anyones opinions but I believe in fairness which is why I balance all my posts as much as I can.

My issue with arista,and I took it to him in a pm yesterday,(which clearly turned out to be a further waste of my time), was I felt by doing that now sorted out.
However he chose today to pull me up on saying I was not going to post on a particular thread,he continued this today, not myself.

My issue is with him, no one else and once I pointed out his error this morning, he made a sort of climbdown,which he then added more fueling to afterwards, despite my acceptance of what he had said, expressing my appreciation and also apologising for getting picky myyself.
He has chosen to carry it on again, not me.

I am not being hard on anyone but neither am I stupid, I know when something is wrong and I will never defend a wrong.

No one else needed to be involved in this at all, I took exception to arista,I took it to pm, as we are told to do, it seemed settled,until he carried it on today, coming at me on another thread with something totally related to a different thread.

I am dismayed at the reactions of some on tibb, I have jumped in and defended many who were being got at wrongly in the past that they have been grateful for too.
However, I am not going to be followed around on thread after thread being pulled up for saying I was not going to post on a particular thread,as has been done today.

Kizzy, really however,please don't get yourself into difficulty or bother on my behalf, I appreciate your efforts,I have done that myself for others.
However, you make amazingly strong posts in your posts, backed up by facts and really in effect you could be speaking for me on here anyway were I not to be on.
You can really speak for me in full really.

Some have only come on to comment that I am being hard on people,then to pull Kizzy up for saying something in my defence,unbelievable.

I am fed up of the lot of it, I am really busy myself at present anyway and do not need this on here but it was between myself and arista.
I took it as I said to pm yesterday,as we are told to do and that should have been the end of it all and I thought it was too.
He was the one who continued it today on here however, and I am not prepared to, or going to, play his game.

Thank you Kizzy, by the way.
Don't worry about me and please don't get yourself into any bother on my behalf but a sincere thank you for your kind words and defence.

It is unbelievable that I as a member can make a long post summarising their opinion and observations on an issue,adding that because all seemed to be going round in circles that was their last word on the subject as I did,not needing to say any more even in reality on the issue too after that post,to then have to be hounded for saying and doing that elsewhere by someone else who until that point hadn't posted on the topic in hand there.

Just get on with it arista but annoy someone else, not me, and preferably,if I may suggest, off here, so that its not another member who gets the nonsense.

No wonder Josy made a thread as to serious debates difficulties, I apologise 100% to Josy for this from me today, I did however really try to have this sorted last night in private messaging but then found I had to deal with same again today on here.

I should not have to put up with that and I also will not, and should have the right to say so too.

[Kizzy]

You're very welcome Joey, I've never seen you make a post that was offensive and/or off topic in all honesty so am surprised at all this hoo ha.
Good luck with the canvassing, keep us posted on the polls too hope the weather is better near you for knocking on doors it's raining cats and dogs here.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Right,AnnieK and Smudgie, I always respect others views but if I think they are wrong views then I will obviously keep on with my own.

I have made very strong, true and valid points that cannot in my view, be fairly challenged but get a curt response and off topic ones at times too.
That is fine, I deal with that by re-iterationg my own points as I have always done.
I see no reason why you felt any need to raise this issue between arista and myself anyway.
I have no problem at all with anyones opinions but I believe in fairness which is why I balance all my posts as much as I can.

My issue with arista,and I took it to him in a pm yesterday,(which clearly turned out to be a further waste of my time), was I felt by doing that now sorted out.
However he chose today to pull me up on saying I was not going to post on a particular thread,he continued this today, not myself.

My issue is with him, no one else and once I pointed out his error this morning, he made a sort of climbdown,which he then added more fueling to afterwards, despite my acceptance of what he had said, expressing my appreciation and also apologising for getting picky myyself.
He has chosen to carry it on again, not me.

I am not being hard on anyone but neither am I stupid, I know when something is wrong and I will never defend a wrong.

No one else needed to be involved in this at all, I took exception to arista,I took it to pm, as we are told to do, it seemed settled,until he carried it on today, coming at me on another thread with something totally related to a different thread.

I am dismayed at the reactions of some on tibb, I have jumped in and defended many who were being got at wrongly in the past that they have been grateful for too.
However, I am not going to be followed around on thread after thread being pulled up for saying I was not going to post on a particular thread,as has been done today.

Kizzy, really however,please don't get yourself into difficulty or bother on my behalf, I appreciate your efforts,I have done that myself for others.
However, you make amazingly strong posts in your posts, backed up by facts and really in effect you could be speaking for me on here anyway were I not to be on.
You can really speak for me in full really.

Some have only come on to comment that I am being hard on people,then to pull Kizzy up for saying something in my defence,unbelievable.

I am fed up of the lot of it, I am really busy myself at present anyway and do not need this on here but it was between myself and arista.
I took it as I said to pm yesterday,as we are told to do and that should have been the end of it all and I thought it was too.
He was the one who continued it today on here however, and I am not prepared to, or going to, play his game.

Thank you Kizzy, by the way.
Don't worry about me and please don't get yourself into any bother on my behalf but a sincere thank you for your kind words and defence.

It is unbelievable that I as a member can make a long post summarising their opinion and observations on an issue,adding that because all seemed to be going round in circles that was their last word on the subject as I did,not needing to say any more even in reality on the issue too after that post,to then have to be hounded for saying and doing that elsewhere by someone else who until that point hadn't posted on the topic in hand there.

Just get on with it arista but annoy someone else, not me, and preferably,if I may suggest, off here, so that its not another member who gets the nonsense.

No wonder Josy made a thread as to serious debates difficulties, I apologise 100% to Josy for this from me today, I did however really try to have this sorted last night in private messaging but then found I had to deal with same again today on here.

I should not have to put up with that and I also will not, and should have the right to say so too.

Ahh good, you are back then.

[arista]

"Just get on with it arista but annoy someone else, not me"


I resent that
I post for the World of TIBB
Not just you

[Niamh.]

Even the Irish eh? thanks Arista

[arista]

"My issue with arista,and I took it to him in a pm yesterday,(which clearly turned out to be a further waste of my time)"

I am sorry you thought I did not care
I do care.

I am on 4 Computers
At work
so you must not take me so deadly
as I am not

[arista]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Even the Irish eh? thanks Arista

Yes respect to the Irish mods

[Kizzy]

Anyhoo

Former BBC economics editor Stephanie Flanders criticised on Sunday media coverage of her past relationship with Labour leader Ed Miliband.

Flanders registered her dismay on Twitter after the Sunday Times repeated reports about women dated by Miliband before marrying Justine Thornton.

She tweeted: “Sorry that @thesundaytimes follows Mail in raking over Miliband’s past today. We “dated” fleetingly in 2004. V costly few wks, it turns out.”


What's with all the muck raking at the times and the mail?... Absolutely pathetic.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...ationship-2004

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Anyhoo

Former BBC economics editor Stephanie Flanders criticised on Sunday media coverage of her past relationship with Labour leader Ed Miliband.

Flanders registered her dismay on Twitter after the Sunday Times repeated reports about women dated by Miliband before marrying Justine Thornton.

She tweeted: “Sorry that @thesundaytimes follows Mail in raking over Miliband’s past today. We “dated” fleetingly in 2004. V costly few wks, it turns out.”


What's with all the muck raking at the times and the mail?... Absolutely pathetic.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...ationship-2004

Yes in 2004 she was much younger.
She has Great Secrets on him
for her book

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Anyhoo

Former BBC economics editor Stephanie Flanders criticised on Sunday media coverage of her past relationship with Labour leader Ed Miliband.

Flanders registered her dismay on Twitter after the Sunday Times repeated reports about women dated by Miliband before marrying Justine Thornton.

She tweeted: “Sorry that @thesundaytimes follows Mail in raking over Miliband’s past today. We “dated” fleetingly in 2004. V costly few wks, it turns out.”


What's with all the muck raking at the times and the mail?... Absolutely pathetic.

http://www.theguardian.com/media/201...ationship-2004

Why on earth do we need to know who any of them dated before they married
Must be a slow news week for the gutter press then.

[Kizzy]

Is the Times considered the gutter press? That's the issue I'd expect this rubbish from the sun or the mail... seems Rupert has all his media trained on the same target.

Anyone seen any coverage of the protests in parliament square this week... no? Didn't think so.

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Is the Times considered the gutter press? That's the issue I'd expect this rubbish from the sun or the mail... seems Rupert has all his media trained on the same target.

Anyone seen any coverage of the protests in parliament square this week... no? Didn't think so.

I reckon we are at the stage now that any of the press will scrawl any old rubbish if they think it will sell Kizzy.