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kirklancaster · 16-04-2015, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa

It's not unfair on Mediterranean Countries , just unlucky they are the first Countries that these people encounter.

This is NOT a European problem, this is an African problem these people are African and have no right to ssume they can just all go and live in somebody else's Country.

I am being quite serious now Nedusa - There was a short time when I suspected that YOU were Enza Ferreri.

Kizzy · 16-04-2015, 11:07 AM

What is illuminating about the plight of these displaced refugees?

Christmas Dynasnow · 16-04-2015, 11:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

What is illuminating about the plight of these displaced refugees?

well it illuminates the problem for that wee island off the coast of Sicily for a kick off

Kizzy · 16-04-2015, 11:23 AM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well it illuminates the problem for that wee island off the coast of Sicily for a kick off

Naw... And there's me thinking it was highlighting a serious human rights violation.

Vicky. · 16-04-2015, 11:23 AM

Honestly, I do believe in general we need to tighten our borders. But for people like this..I really do think ALL EU countries should be doing everything they can to help them. These people aren't coming for benefits, or because our wages are higher than theirs, they genuinely are terrified for theirs and their childrens lives. Its completely different. I heard on the news a few weeks back that the amount of syrian refugees we have taken in was ridiculously low (something like 100 or so IIRC). This is a ****ing disgrace.

Cherry Christmas · 16-04-2015, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa

This is a sad story, but to be honest no country in Europe can cope with a virtual never ending supply of African migrants who are mostly uneducated and with little or no skills.

They are of no use to these developed European countries and must not be allowed entry.

The EU needs to put into place Euro wide border controls to guard against this.

These potential migrants need to stop thinking they can just relocate to a richer country and all their problems will be solved. They cannot and should strive with help of billions upon billions of pounds of foreign aid to make their own countries prosperous .

They need to stay in their own countries and put their energies into tackling the problems there, not creating more problems for already overstretched European Countries

Whilst I agree with all this,these migrants are not piling into boats willy nilly they are being promised a better life by unscrupulous people and paying to cross in a lot of instances, I agree the waters should be patrolled if nothing else to stop these people from being ripped off.

Cherry Christmas · 16-04-2015, 11:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Honestly, I do believe in general we need to tighten our borders. But for people like this..I really do think ALL EU countries should be doing everything they can to help them. These people aren't coming for benefits, or because our wages are higher than theirs, they genuinely are terrified for theirs and their childrens lives. Its completely different. I heard on the news a few weeks back that the amount of syrian refugees we have taken in was ridiculously low (something like 100 or so IIRC). This is a ****ing disgrace.

I agree with this as well

Kizzy · 16-04-2015, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Honestly, I do believe in general we need to tighten our borders. But for people like this..I really do think ALL EU countries should be doing everything they can to help them. These people aren't coming for benefits, or because our wages are higher than theirs, they genuinely are terrified for theirs and their childrens lives. Its completely different. I heard on the news a few weeks back that the amount of syrian refugees we have taken in was ridiculously low (something like 100 or so IIRC). This is a ****ing disgrace.

Yes, are many not Christians fleeing to a Christian country in fear of persecution?

Christmas Dynasnow · 16-04-2015, 12:00 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Honestly, I do believe in general we need to tighten our borders. But for people like this..I really do think ALL EU countries should be doing everything they can to help them. These people aren't coming for benefits, or because our wages are higher than theirs, they genuinely are terrified for theirs and their childrens lives. Its completely different. I heard on the news a few weeks back that the amount of syrian refugees we have taken in was ridiculously low (something like 100 or so IIRC). This is a ****ing disgrace.

The migrants all come from Sub Saharan Africa. There is not much evidence I have seen that they fear for their lives - they are coming because the European streets are paved with gold in their eyes. Its mostly young men.

8,500 migrants had been rescued at sea between Friday and Monday.

One man expecting to leave on Wednesday night from the Egyptian coast, another popular launching pad for smugglers, earlier told the Guardian: “I’m determined to go whether or not there is a rescue operation. I’m risking my life for something bigger, for ambitions bigger than this.”

http://www.theguardian.com/world/201...ean-passengers

But the sharp increase is seen as a sign of both the desperation of the people, and the determination of the criminal gangs to ship people to Europe.

At the end of last year people traffickers also began using a new technique – buying a large cargo vessel, filling it with migrants who had paid for the journey, and then setting it on course for Europe and abandoning the ship.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/worl...-on-board.html

Stop the criminal gangs that are organising these boats and making top dollar.

arista · 16-04-2015, 01:16 PM

The EU has failed in stopping them

so send them all to Fecking Germany
they can afford them

Nedusa · 16-04-2015, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I am being quite serious now Nedusa - There was a short time when I suspected that YOU were Enza Ferreri.

No I'm far more right wing than her.......lol

arista · 16-04-2015, 01:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Kizzy

What is illuminating about the plight of these displaced refugees?

Yes Isis
got them running to stay alive.

We can not have any

So send them All to Germany

Nedusa · 16-04-2015, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Vicky.

Honestly, I do believe in general we need to tighten our borders. But for people like this..I really do think ALL EU countries should be doing everything they can to help them. These people aren't coming for benefits, or because our wages are higher than theirs, they genuinely are terrified for theirs and their childrens lives. Its completely different. I heard on the news a few weeks back that the amount of syrian refugees we have taken in was ridiculously low (something like 100 or so IIRC). This is a ****ing disgrace.

Why are they terrified for their Childrens lives ? what has happened to cause this.

They are economic migrants are they not, not refugees from a war torn Country.

Nedusa · 16-04-2015, 01:27 PM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Whilst I agree with all this,these migrants are not piling into boats willy nilly they are being promised a better life by unscrupulous people and paying to cross in a lot of instances, I agree the waters should be patrolled if nothing else to stop these people from being ripped off.

Yes, I would agree with that...

kirklancaster · 16-04-2015, 01:33 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa

No I'm far more right wing than her.......lol

Which is why I love ya.

In the Drunk Tank · 16-04-2015, 02:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Nedusa

Why are they terrified for their Childrens lives ? what has happened to cause this.

They are economic migrants are they not, not refugees from a war torn Country.

Libya's not a war torn country? It's been ravaged by chaos and anarchy ever since Gaddafi's death. Unfortunately that has made it a gold mine for smugglers and a hot bed of extremism where IS have stated their intention to use boats like this to ship fighters into Europe.

kirklancaster · 16-04-2015, 02:21 PM

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Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

well it illuminates the problem for that wee island off the coast of Sicily for a kick off

Exactly.

kirklancaster · 16-04-2015, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Libya's not a war torn country? It's been ravaged by chaos and anarchy ever since Gaddafi's death. Unfortunately that has made it a gold mine for smugglers and a hot bed of extremism where IS have stated their intention to use boats like this to ship fighters into Europe.

Exactly - and the very real possibility that IS are actually implementing that plan and have been for a while is a real worry. The trouble is - how do we spot them?

Christmas Dynasnow · 16-04-2015, 02:37 PM

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Originally Posted by MTVN

Libya's not a war torn country? It's been ravaged by chaos and anarchy ever since Gaddafi's death. Unfortunately that has made it a gold mine for smugglers and a hot bed of extremism where IS have stated their intention to use boats like this to ship fighters into Europe.

they are not from Libya its just the port they use. They are all from Sub Saharan Africa

Kizzy · 16-04-2015, 03:31 PM

Every man is an island... On this island they are, and the unfortunates can remain on that island.

arista · 16-04-2015, 04:18 PM

Another 41 Illegal Migrants dead in the water
after small boat sunk.

Ref: Ch5HD news

arista · 19-04-2015, 08:12 AM

http://news.sky.com/story/1467920/bo...izes-off-libya

[New Boat Carrying 700 Migrants Capsizes Off Libya]

kirklancaster · 19-04-2015, 09:59 AM

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Originally Posted by Cherie

Whilst I agree with all this,these migrants are not piling into boats willy nilly they are being promised a better life by unscrupulous people and paying to cross in a lot of instances, I agree the waters should be patrolled if nothing else to stop these people from being ripped off.

It sounds like the gullible UK populace come every election time.