[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Helen 28

Definitely the racist Diane Abbott in disguise..

In disguise... Could you see what she was wearing through the radio?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

In disguise... Could you see what she was wearing through the radio?

[waterhog]

does not matter what she dresses up like - she will always be the same underneath - desperate for air time.

well done katie - one more comment from me - zzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzzz

[empire]

diane abbott is a racist anti white anti english, scumbag,

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

In disguise... Could you see what she was wearing through the radio?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by empire

diane abbott is a racist anti white anti english, scumbag,

It wasn't Diane Abbott :/

[Niamh.]

Katie Hopkins and The Sun editor David Dinsmore reported to police for incitement to racial hatred following migrant boat column

Katie Hopkins and the editor of The Sun, David Dinsmore, have been reported to the Metropolitan police for incitement to racial hatred.

It follows the publication of a column by Hopkins in the tabloid on 17 April, in which she described migrants desperate to reach Britain following humanitarian disasters in their own countries as “cockroaches” and suggested the government deploy “gunships” to stop them landing on shore.

The complaint was made by the Society of Black Lawyers directly to the Metropolitan Police Commissioners Office, Sir Bernard Hogan-Howe, at 4.05pm on 20 April.

It reads:

Spoiler:

It reads:

Dear Commissioner Bernard Hogan-Howe,

I hope this email finds you well. You will recall that I was an independent member of the Metropolitan Police Authority (2000 to 2008) and Vice Chair for a period of two years during part of your earlier career at the MPS.

As former Chair of the MPS Hate Crime Forum we did on occasions report incidents of incitement to racial hatred directly to the Commissioners Office for urgent action. More recently as SBL we have done so with anti-Semitic and/or racist comments in the football arena.

The recent comments by the Sun journalist Katie Hopkins, authorised for publication by her Editor and senior staff, are sadly some of the most offensive, xenophobic and racist comments I have read in a British newspaper for some years. These comments comparing the African migrants fleeing Libya to “cockroaches” , almost certainly all “trafficked” persons facing intimidation, violence and extortion at the point of departure represent some of the most vulnerable people in international law at the present time. Many will have legitimate claims for asylum under the 1951 Geneva Convention.


The use of this term employs a word used with devastating results to describe the Tutsi minority and Hutu moderates during the 1994 Rwanda genocide when they were referred to by those responsible for the genocide as “cockroaches”. This fact is well known to journalists and is a matter of historical record proved by the International Criminal Tribunal for Rwanda (ICTR) in several judgments.

The Society of Black Lawyers (SBL) therefore requests that this matter is investigated as a matter of urgency under the Public Order Act 1986. I am aware that this section requires some intention but given the scale of the tragedy currently unfolding, the likelihood some some of these migrants may already be in the UK having fled during previous months or likely to land here in due course these comments can amount to incitement to racial hatred.

We are in the process of writing formally to the International Criminal Court to petition for an investigation into these comments under the provisions of incitement to commit crimes against humanity.

Given the huge circulation of these comments in the Sun and in the media generally, the propensity for racial violence against people of African descent in the UK is obvious. We request that these matters be investigated as a matter of urgency and the case file be passed to the CPS for a decision to be made as to the merits of a prosecution.

We will submit a more detailed letter in the course of this evening but would request that your office makes a public statement about the need to avoid such comments being made by any in the media whilst this matter is the subject of a criminal investigation.

Our complaint is against the journalist herself, the Editor of the Sun newspaper and other editorial staff involved in the publication of this commentary. We would request that you obtain a transcript of her interview that we understand was conducted on LBC radio on Sunday morning, 19th April 2015.

The journalist concerned sought to justify her comments in that radio interview so may provide evidence of her state of mind.

Yours sincerely,

Peter

D. Peter Herbert O.B.E.

Chair Society of Black Lawyers

http://www.independent.co.uk/news/pe...=facebook-post

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I agree Nedusa - I have NO time for Katie Hopkins but I wonder how many times the man who reported her to the Metropolitan police - Chair of the Society of Black Lawyers, D Peter Herbert O.B.E. - reported Islamic Hate preachers such as Anjem Choudary, Mizanur Rahman, and Abu Hamza?

As I said before, Kopkins is not actually inciting people to go out and slaughter these immigrants the way the above Islamics daily urged their followers to go out and kill British people (among others).

Strange country this now with strange sensibilities.

Because he's not reported Anjem Choudary, Mizanur Rahman, and Abu Hamza, his points about this particular incident don't matter? You could say that about anybody who reports/complains about anything

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Because he's not reported Anjem Choudary, Mizanur Rahman, and Abu Hamza, his points about this particular incident don't matter? You could say that about anybody who reports/complains about anything

No - I did NOT say that Niamh.

I don't even know if he did or didn't report Choudary and company, but all I was saying is that there have been FAR greater HATE crimes than Hopkins one, perpetrated on a daily basis in the UK for years, yet we do not hear of similar letters from The Society of Black Lawyers to the Metropolitan Police - or at least I can find no examples.

One offence does not negate another, but though this 'letter' is definitely warranted - it's motives appear rather partisan to me.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

No - I did NOT say that Niamh.

I don't even know if he did or didn't report Choudary and company, but all I was saying is that there have been FAR greater HATE crimes than Hopkins one, perpetrated on a daily basis in the UK for years, yet we do not hear of similar letters from The Society of Black Lawyers to the Metropolitan Police - or at least I can find no examples.

One offence does not negate another, but though this 'letter' is definitely warranted - it's motives appear rather partisan to me.

Why bring it up then if not to try to discredit the man and his complaint about Katie Hopkins and the Sun Editor?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Why bring it up then if not to try to discredit the man and his complaint about Katie Hopkins and the Sun Editor?

I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what you mean? What I meant by my post was; does this 'Black Lawyer' find Hopkins comments against immigrants more offensive than Immigrant Islamic Preacher's Hate Speeches against the British? And if so, WHY? when Hopkins comments - though offensive - are far more benign in comparison than Choudary's or Hamza's?

Hate Speech is Hate Speech, and I would find D. Peter Herbert's reporting of Hopkins far more acceptable and 'noble' if I was assured that he had been as equally moved and incensed by the far more serious Hate Speeches of Hamza and company and had similarly reported them.

In a similar vein, I am a Christian, but I find ISIS beheadings of ANY innocent victims evil and atrocious - no matter what the Nationality, Colour, Race or Faith of those victims - and I have posted as much accordingly.

Just my opinion.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what you mean?

I mean, why was you immediate response to the article I posted to say

"I have NO time for Katie Hopkins but I wonder how many times the man who reported her to the Metropolitan police - Chair of the Society of Black Lawyers, D Peter Herbert O.B.E. - reported Islamic Hate preachers such as Anjem Choudary, Mizanur Rahman, and Abu Hamza?"

Instead of actually commenting on what the man was complaining about, you choose to comment on what he was not complaining about instead?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I mean, why was you immediate response to the article I posted to say

"I have NO time for Katie Hopkins but I wonder how many times the man who reported her to the Metropolitan police - Chair of the Society of Black Lawyers, D Peter Herbert O.B.E. - reported Islamic Hate preachers such as Anjem Choudary, Mizanur Rahman, and Abu Hamza?"

Instead of actually commenting on what the man was complaining about, you choose to comment on what he was not complaining about instead?

Sorry Niamh, but I edited my post to add an explanation and I think it crossed with your response. I had already stated several times that Hopkins was wrong and condemned her for it so I had no need to comment on the article.

[Kizzy]

It's saddening even the lawyers taking action have to categorise themselves as black or white, it's not a race issue it's an humanitarian one imo.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I'm sorry, but I really don't understand what you mean? What I meant by my post was; does this 'Black Lawyer' find Hopkins comments against immigrants more offensive than Immigrant Islamic Preacher's Hate Speeches against the British? And if so, WHY? when Hopkins comments - though offensive - are far more benign in comparison than Choudary's or Hamza's?

Hate Speech is Hate Speech, and I would find D. Peter Herbert's reporting of Hopkins far more acceptable and 'noble' if I was assured that he had been as equally moved and incensed by the far more serious Hate Speeches of Hamza and company and had similarly reported them.

In a similar vein, I am a Christian, but I find ISIS beheadings of ANY innocent victims evil and atrocious - no matter what the Nationality, Colour, Race or Faith of those victims - and I have posted as much accordingly.

Just my opinion.

Maybe he doesn't think it's "more offensive" though but people pick their causes. Would you accuse someone who does alot of work for animal charities of not valuing humans as much? It's the same difference imo This "black lawyer" may feel more personally offended by this. You say you "I am a Christian, but I find ISIS beheadings of ANY innocent victims evil and atrocious - no matter what the Nationality, Colour, Race or Faith of those victims" and I don't doubt you mean that for a second but I still hear you speak about Christians more so and there's nothing wrong with that either as it's closer to home for you

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Maybe he doesn't think it's "more offensive" though but people pick their causes. Would you accuse someone who does alot of work for animal charities of not valuing humans as much? It's the same difference imo This "black lawyer" may feel more personally offended by this. You say you "I am a Christian, but I find ISIS beheadings of ANY innocent victims evil and atrocious - no matter what the Nationality, Colour, Race or Faith of those victims" and I don't doubt you mean that for a second but I still hear you speak about Christians more so and there's nothing wrong with that either as it's closer to home for you

Fair point Niamh.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's saddening even the lawyers taking action have to categorise themselves as black or white, it's not a race issue it's an humanitarian one imo.

They CALL THEMSELVES 'THE SOCIETY OF BLACK LAWYERS' - no one else gave them that title or FORCED it upon them.

And it's extremely illuminating as to just how closely defined certain 'HUMANITARIAN' issues are on here by 'race' or 'religion'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

They CALL THEMSELVES 'THE SOCIETY OF BLACK LAWYERS' - no one else gave them that title or FORCED it upon them.

And it's extremely illuminating as to just how closely defined certain 'HUMANITARIAN' issues are on here by 'race' or 'religion'.

I know they did, you don't have to embolden it for me I read it in the article Niamh posted thankyou.

Yes it is illuminating, how seemingly when there is a break in the eternal loop of 'white, Christian, European' then there is a crisis to even see the situation as an humanitarian issue, as the people involved are considered as less than human.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I know they did, you don't have to embolden it for me I read it in the article Niamh posted thankyou.

Yes it is illuminating, how seemingly when there is a break in the eternal loop of 'white, Christian, European' then there is a crisis to even see the situation as an humanitarian issue, as the people involved are considered as less than human.

I'm not fully with you as to what you mean, but what I meant is; that there is a distinct pattern on here, that the louder voices are heard in greater numbers in defence of 'Open Door' immigration and in protesting against those who do not share that view, and in lamenting the death of drowned immigrants of unstated faiths than in lamenting shot and beheaded Christians, and in protesting against the imbecilic views of an attention seeker such as Katie Hopkins against immigrants, than there has been in protesting against the far graver and more genuinely evil Hate Speeches and incitements to murder against UK citizens by immigrant iSLAMIC Preachers.

It seems to me that such 'Humanitarianism' is truly highly selective.

[joeysteele]

My answer would be that the Sun be removed from society and take all the vile columnists it employs, whose rotten unnecessary and despicable comments it then prints, with it too.

Nothing will likely come of it but I am glad someones patience has finally worn out as to this 'inhuman' woman.
Good on him and good on the petition too that is also condemning her.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

My answer would be that the Sun be removed from society and take all the vile columnists it employs, whose rotten unnecessary and despicable comments it then prints, with it too.

Nothing will likely come of it but I am glad someones patience has finally worn out as to this 'inhuman' woman.
Good on him and good on the petition too that is also condemning her.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I'm not fully with you as to what you mean, but what I meant is; that there is a distinct pattern on here, that the louder voices are heard in greater numbers in defence of 'Open Door' immigration and in protesting against those who do not share that view, and in lamenting the death of drowned immigrants of unstated faiths than in lamenting shot and beheaded Christians, and in protesting against the imbecilic views of an attention seeker such as Katie Hopkins against immigrants, than there has been in protesting against the far graver and more genuinely evil Hate Speeches and incitements to murder against UK citizens by immigrant iSLAMIC Preachers.

It seems to me that such 'Humanitarianism' is truly highly selective.

No I don't agree that any 'open door' immigration voices are louder at all as that is Europe wide only and nothing to do with this at all you're simplifying the issue.
The attitude to death is what defines your humanity.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

My answer would be that the Sun be removed from society and take all the vile columnists it employs, whose rotten unnecessary and despicable comments it then prints, with it too.

Nothing will likely come of it but I am glad someones patience has finally worn out as to this 'inhuman' woman.
Good on him and good on the petition too that is also condemning her.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No I don't agree that any 'open door' immigration voices are louder at all as that is Europe wide only and nothing to do with this at all you're simplifying the issue.
The attitude to death is what defines your humanity.

NO - You are misunderstanding what I wrote:

I did not compare 'Open Door' Immigration with 'This' - I said: "that there is a distinct pattern on here, that the louder voices are heard in greater numbers in defence of 'Open Door' immigration and in protesting against those who do not share that view," --- ie; one complete thought seperated by a comma. Then I went on: "and in lamenting the death of drowned immigrants of unstated faiths than in lamenting shot and beheaded Christians," -- as another complete thought separated by a comma, and finally; "and in protesting against the imbecilic views of an attention seeker such as Katie Hopkins against immigrants, than there has been in protesting against the far graver and more genuinely evil Hate Speeches and incitements to murder against UK citizens by immigrant iSLAMIC Preachers." -- My final full thought ended with a 'period'.

So, there is no comparing of 'European wide' issue with any 'world-wide issue at all - just three separate 'thoughts' given as examples in one sentence.

And whilst: 'The attitude to death is what defines your humanity' sounds profound and grand, it means nothing to me and does not address the points which I made in the post you are responding to.

My 'humanity' extends to all innocent human lives taken by murdering cowards and to all injustices, and transcends all personal politics - as my posts confirm.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

NO - You are misunderstanding what I wrote:

I did not compare 'Open Door' Immigration with 'This' - I said: "that there is a distinct pattern on here, that the louder voices are heard in greater numbers in defence of 'Open Door' immigration and in protesting against those who do not share that view," --- ie; one complete thought seperated by a comma. Then I went on: "and in lamenting the death of drowned immigrants of unstated faiths than in lamenting shot and beheaded Christians," -- as another complete thought separated by a comma, and finally; "and in protesting against the imbecilic views of an attention seeker such as Katie Hopkins against immigrants, than there has been in protesting against the far graver and more genuinely evil Hate Speeches and incitements to murder against UK citizens by immigrant iSLAMIC Preachers." -- My final full thought ended with a 'period'.

So, there is no comparing of 'European wide' issue with any 'world-wide issue at all - just three separate 'thoughts' given as examples in one sentence.

And whilst: 'The attitude to death is what defines your humanity' sounds profound and grand, it means nothing to me and does not address the points which I made in the post you are responding to.

My 'humanity' extends to all innocent human lives taken by murdering cowards and to all injustices, and transcends all personal politics - as my posts confirm.

I don't wish to address all your points and redefine my position on this subject as it is already crystal clear what and who I am referring to in the context of the thread.
If you would like to continue the discussion that is the topic of the thread as stated in the OP I would be happy to hear it.