[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

The study is based on attitudinal change, you can't really debate that without referring to attitudes, and that is just one...
I don't think the case for luxuries will be won, a warm secure home and food is the minimum requirement, that's all anyone truly needs to be able to attempt to lift themselves out of poverty initially, sadly that for many is a dream.

..and it's just as much as a generalisation than other ones are and just as negative...


..and I don't agree, I think that a holiday/break of some kind for a family who has struggled for many years can be of importance as well...there again it would be judging them to feel that we know what they need ....every case is different....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..and it's just as much as a generalisation than other ones are and just as negative...


..and I don't agree, I think that a holiday/break of some kind for a family who has struggled for many years can be of importance as well...there again it would be judging them to feel that we know what they need ....every case is different....

I think you're getting bogged down with the terms used they are not in the study and have nothing to do with it, 'I'm alright jacks' and 'scroungers' are just terms used on here in fairness.

Every case is not different, What point is a week in bognor if your basic needs are not met? It's a sticking plaster.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I think you're getting bogged down with the terms used they are not in the study and have nothing to do with it, 'I'm alright jacks' and 'scroungers' are just terms used on here in fairness.

Every case is not different, What point is a week in bognor if your basic needs are not met? It's a sticking plaster.

..I'm not bogged down with anything, they're both terms of generalising people and inaccurate....

..I think that things like holidays/breaks etc can be much of much benefit in terms of stress related mental health issues which can make trying to find employment even more difficult or even impossible in some cases and definitely something that children would benefit from rather than never have anything nice or to look forward to like their peers and that people deserve more than just being on the breadline and that's something I've known communities to come together to provide for families on occasions and knowing those family's problems and their struggles and I guess that showing 'community' is still very much present today ...but we're obviously not going to agree so I'm just going to leave it at that, I don't think I have anything else to add to the thread or my previous thoughts....

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm not bogged down with anything, they're both terms of generalising people and inaccurate....

..I think that things like holidays/breaks etc can be much of much benefit in terms of stress related mental health issues which can make trying to find employment even more difficult or even impossible in some cases and definitely something that children would benefit from rather than never have anything nice or to look forward to like their peers and that people deserve more than just being on the breadline and that's something I've known communities to come together to provide for families on occasions and knowing those family's problems and their struggles and I guess that showing 'community' is still very much present today ...but we're obviously not going to agree so I'm just going to leave it at that, I don't think I have anything else to add to the thread or my previous thoughts....

They are both accurate... it's to what extent they are accurate that is the question, again this isn't really the real issue though what labels differing sub groups are given.
I've never known a community to provide a holiday for anyone, where is this wonderful community?