[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

no we swallowed new labour lies and they were infinitely worse this tory government and they did less than nothing about the inequality gap....of course everything will change , balance is key.....if the tories get as lazy complacent and drunk on power as new labour did after 5 years then we will be in trouble again

Ah well if you just was your own private retrospective and ignore the last 5yrs crack on, I'll bow out for the moment as you're not willing to acknowledge what's happening in the here and now.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah well if you just was your own private retrospective and ignore the last 5yrs crack on, I'll bow out for the moment as you're not willing to acknowledge what's happening in the here and now.

ive acknowledged plenty you acknowledge nothing outside your own liberal agenda.....you don't even seem to understand the last 5 years was hugely a result of the previous 13 under your party

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Ah well if you just was your own private retrospective and ignore the last 5yrs crack on, I'll bow out for the moment as you're not willing to acknowledge what's happening in the here and now.

I really admire your patience Kizzy.
You are however,in my opinion,completely wasting your time, no facts, no substantiation of official figures coming to you, all you get is attacked and no real answers to 'any' points with official facts.
Save your energy and typing for someone who has such facts to hand before they make wild statements from their own perspectives of hate or like for a particular party.

I am still waiting for the simplest of answers to a question that was asked ages ago,not a single thing forthcoming and I was told I was all theory and no practice.

All govts; get things wrong,we both know that, they will all make mistakes in power and poor decisions, they can however choose for themselves who they hit and when and how as to cuts.
That is the thing with you and I, and many others here too, we can see these are making the wrong choices and hitting cruelly the wrong people.

Wrong choices and wrong people being hit, that even if it were the labour party,or in fact any other party, hitting such people and doing that wrong to them.
You and I, for 2, would be as heated and angry with them as we are being now to the Conservative govt:
Therein lies the massive difference to how we debate.

It gives me no pleasure at all to have to, in the UK in the 21st century, attack any govt; for being discriminatory and heartless towards those in need and support,even moreso when they have other choices but still choose to do so deliberately.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I really admire your patience Kizzy.
You are however,in my opinion,completely wasting your time, no facts, no substantiation of official figures coming to you, all you get is attacked and no real answers to 'any' points with official facts.
Save your energy and typing for someone who has such facts to hand before they make wild statements from their own perspectives of hate or like for a particular party.

I am still waiting for the simplest of answers to a question that was asked ages ago,not a single thing forthcoming and I was told I was all theory and no practice.

All govts; get things wrong,we both know that, they will all make mistakes in power and poor decisions, they can however choose for themselves who they hit and when and how as to cuts.
That is the thing with you and I, and many others here too, we can see these are making the wrong choices and hitting cruelly the wrong people.

Wrong choices and wrong people being hit, that even if it were the labour party,or in fact any other party, hitting such people and doing that wrong to them.
You and I, for 2, would be as heated and angry with them as we are being now to the Conservative govt:
Therein lies the massive difference to how we debate.

It gives me no pleasure at all to have to, in the UK in the 21st century, attack any govt; for being discriminatory and heartless towards those in need and support,even moreso when they have other choices but still choose to do so deliberately.

Thanks I agree you can provide information, statistics, graphs, professional opinion but if some are hellbent on repeating the tory mantras without one scrap of supporting evidence bar a sun headline what can you do?