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Originally Posted by the truth

lol I made in clear he would never get anywhere, you seemed to think he had huge potential as a leader....cant you even be a good sport when you get it hopelessly wrong? as for this sudden caring for his old granny from new labour fans, where was the compassion for the 1000+victims of stafford hospital, the endless nhs cover ups, the 25000 per annum who died under their watch from undiagnosed blood clots, the mass spread of mrsa across the nhs, the spate of unofficial do not resuscitate decisions not discussed with families, the billions lost to the nhs from failure to claim back insurance

The middle management and trusts wasting millions, the almost impossible difficulty of getting scanned, the endless labour stealth taxes , robbing from the poorest and parking charges in nhs hospitals etc etc the sell out to europe making endless more laws and making life ever more intolerable, the billions blair gave back in the rebate, the massive youth unemployment rates, oh and the 160000+ abortions a year where parents felt rushed and felt they werent given options and support, the bankrupt economy the cutbacks down to their bankruptcy waste and mismanagement, the gap between rich and poorer bigger than for 200 years?. oh and 1 million dead iraqis....where is the new labour compassion on all that eh?....this new labour compassion is very selective and very biased......dont worry the bones of the skeletons in chukas cupboard will soon be laid bare by those nasty reporters who dare report the truth....the alastair campbells of this world prefer to subdue all discussion and bury the truth under dodgy dossiers

Look, all you want to do is be so outrageous you get people to argue,I did this the other night with you and got absolutely nowhere so I refuse to rise to the bait again.

You are the one who is usually the most uncompromising,I have many times agreed with you in the past and likely will at times in the future.
When, you don't go on every thread spouting out your grievances on subjects not even related to the thread in anyway at all.
Lord man, you are on about Iraq and the NHS even on here.

I get, you are someone who has seen and had bad experiences across a range of events and feel strong anger for them and who you rightly or wrongly blame for those events.
I understand that.
It doesn't make you always right however and so it is pointless to debate with you.

Also, as to the inference of the Grandmother possible incident,you are wrong again, it is said that it was his Girlfriend's 102 year old Grandmother,not his.

Now, whether that is true or not doesn't matter at this time.
If it is true however, I was brought up to respect my Grandparents.
You may think it perfectly fine as to such an action by the media, if it is revealed it did occur, however I never would agree that was right for anyone, in any circumstances.

I do think he had great potential as a leader, you don't, fair enough.
Mine is in the word 'think', you always 'know.
I'd rather give people the benefit of the doubt when I can.