[The Human Santapede]

I suppose it would be for both men and women if it were to happen?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Benjamin

I suppose it would be for both men and women if it were to happen?

Yes


And Gays
so all can get on in there


Note : There is nothing wrong with being Gay

[Ammi]

..what about drag queens..?..would they be allowed Accessorise Day, camping it up in training camp...actually it's sounding like a fun idea...

[In the Drunk Tank]

Originally Posted by Livia

The idea that the army is there just to kill people is a very old fashioned view. They do much more than go to war. The British Army were one of the first organisations to react to the ebola crisis, for instance. Also, you have to be quite bright to get into the army, the days when they'd take anyone are long gone.

The British Army is a highly professional organisation and I'm sure the last thing they want is a load of people who don't want to be there. I do agree with some kind of national service but those conscripted should be able to choose - as the system used to work in Germany (suspended in 2011 I believe). They could choose to work with the elderly, for instance.

Fair point, it seems that in most the countries where they do still have it that there is quite a bit of leeway offered for those who don't want to engage in the more military side of things to do work in other areas.

I always find it interesting that Switzerland has national service despite hardly ever having involved themselves in war

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what about drag queens..?..would they be allowed Accessorise Day, camping it up in training camp...actually it's sounding like a fun idea...

You're mischievous side is showing little minx.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Fair point, it seems that in most the countries where they do still have it that there is quite a bit of leeway offered for those who don't want to engage in the more military side of things to do work in other areas.

I always find it interesting that Switzerland has national service despite hardly ever having involved themselves in war

I never thought about that - mmm.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..what about drag queens..?..would they be allowed Accessorise Day, camping it up in training camp...actually it's sounding like a fun idea...

No Potato Peeling - Kitchen

[ChristmasNeeve]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's a very oppressive thing for a government to impose on its citizens imo. I can see the benefits of it creating a sense of identity and being a coming-of-age thing but I don't agree with it being a compulsory commitment

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Terrible idea, not everyone's suited to the Military and they shouldn't be forced into doing it.

Indeed.

[bots]

In days gone by, national service was just a method of the upper classes enforcing their superiority/control over the common people. No thanks, those days are long gone, and Harry can stick it where the sun don't shine

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

In days gone by, national service was just a method of the upper classes enforcing their superiority/control over the common people. No thanks, those days are long gone, and Harry can stick it where the sun don't shine

Another good point.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by MTVN

Fair point, it seems that in most the countries where they do still have it that there is quite a bit of leeway offered for those who don't want to engage in the more military side of things to do work in other areas.

I always find it interesting that Switzerland has national service despite hardly ever having involved themselves in war

There are 101 things that could be implemented for NEETs besides the army, bring back the YTS schemes, the army don't have the funds for kids to play soldier for 2yrs do they? Last I heard they were struggling for equipment for the lads they have in Afghanistan.

[lily.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes he would as he gets older


Shaun
in WW3 we must stop nukes hitting our nation.
I want to Protect your House
Things change so fast
if we do not know who set off the
first Nuke in a White Van
in USA.
Then we must track via Space data
and in that meantime troops
made up of fast trained students
will become Law


Are You With Us
or the Evil Enemy?

Sometimes I wonder what it's like to be inside your head.

[arista]

Originally Posted by lily.

Sometimes I wonder what it's like to be inside your head.

Yes we must meet some day

[lily.]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes we must meet some day

That would be something.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by jennyjuniper

This is the one thing that I believe would immensely benefit Britain.
If any of you have ever watched 'Bad Lad's Army',

You're making your case based on a television show?

[Kizzy]

I've seen bad lads army and it does seem to appeal to some lads, but I think it's more the structure, discipline and routine, inflicting that on every teen.... ridiculous.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I've seen bad lads army and it does seem to appeal to some lads, but I think it's more the structure, discipline and routine, inflicting that on every teen.... ridiculous.

Perhaps if more 'parents' 'inflicted' structure, discipline and routine upon their kids the question of restoring 'National Service' would not have cropped up and society would not be as fecked as it increasingly is.

[Kizzy]

So society is screwed because of teenagers now? not joblessness or immigrants .. Kids and parents are the scapegoat de jour.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So society is screwed because of teenagers now? not joblessness or immigrants .. Kids and parents are the scapegoat de jour.

I NEVER said that "society is screwed because of teenagers now", and as impressively sounding as the phrase 'Scapegoat de jour' is, it is wasted in a response which misrepresents my post and ignores the very salient point in it. Of course I now expect no less from a master of self-delusion.

Here's what I ACTUALLY wrote:

"Perhaps if more 'parents' 'inflicted' structure, discipline and routine upon their kids the question of restoring 'National Service' would not have cropped up and society would not be as fecked as it increasingly is."

Note the word; 'as' because unlike your use of the grand-sounding; 'scapegoat de jour', my usage of this simpler word has a purpose:

'as' - adverb 1. used in comparisons to refer to the extent or degree of something.

My use of the simple word 'as' in my statement as a comparator then, tacitly assumes that the case is that society is increasingly fecked up even WITHOUT feral kids who have been 'dragged up' by bad 'non-parents', but that the very real existence of such kids, does indeed add to the gravity of society's degeneration as well as the rate at which such degeneration increases

In other words; 'bad parents' and 'feral dragged up kids' are one of the contributory causes of our fecked up society, but NOT a 'necessary' cause or a 'sufficient' cause.

Of course, none of the above matters - neither the validity of my original post or the above elaboration - if one chooses through blind bigotry to deny the truth.

You continue with your self-blindness to truth, and continue to deny that poor parents and their feral offspring exist, and that they are a real contributory factor in our social decline, just as you deny the existence of Benefit Fraudsters and the fact that this tiny island cannot endure unfettered immigration, and just as you deny a plethora of other incontrovertible truths.

Misrepresenting MY posts will not aid you in your denials or in replacing the truth with your extreme Left Wing propaganda - I will ensure that much.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I NEVER said that "society is screwed because of teenagers now", and as impressively sounding as the phrase 'Scapegoat de jour' is, it is wasted in a response which misrepresents my post and ignores the very salient point in it. Of course I now expect no less from a master of self-delusion.

Here's what I ACTUALLY wrote:

"Perhaps if more 'parents' 'inflicted' structure, discipline and routine upon their kids the question of restoring 'National Service' would not have cropped up and society would not be as fecked as it increasingly is."

Note the word; 'as' because unlike your use of the grand-sounding; 'scapegoat de jour', my usage of this simpler word has a purpose:

'as' - adverb 1. used in comparisons to refer to the extent or degree of something.

My use of the simple word 'as' in my statement as a comparator then, tacitly assumes that the case is that society is increasingly fecked up even WITHOUT feral kids who have been 'dragged up' by bad 'non-parents', but that the very real existence of such kids, does indeed add to the gravity of society's degeneration as well as the rate at which such degeneration increases

In other words; 'bad parents' and 'feral dragged up kids' are one of the contributory causes of our fecked up society, but NOT a 'necessary' cause or a 'sufficient' cause.

Of course, none of the above matters - neither the validity of my original post or the above elaboration - if one chooses through blind bigotry to deny the truth.

You continue with your self-blindness to truth, and continue to deny that poor parents and their feral offspring exist, and that they are a real contributory factor in our social decline, just as you deny the existence of Benefit Fraudsters and the fact that this tiny island cannot endure unfettered immigration, and just as you deny a plethora of other incontrovertible truths.

Misrepresenting MY posts will not aid you in your denials or in replacing the truth with your extreme Left Wing propaganda - I will ensure that much.

Self delusion...You misinterpret my post and then accuse me?

'I've seen bad lads army and it does seem to appeal to some lads, but I think it's more the structure, discipline and routine, inflicting that on every teen.... ridiculous.'

Look at my post again... I CLEARLY state that some lads may benefit... and I go on to say that inflicting that on every teen is ridiculous as it simple won't be necessary they are perfectly functioning members of society as are some adults but not every adult. You can't very well institutionalise the many for the perceived faults of the few that would be foolish.

Please don't attempt to berate me when you simply misunderstood the intonation of my comment.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Self delusion...You misinterpret my post and then accuse me?

'I've seen bad lads army and it does seem to appeal to some lads, but I think it's more the structure, discipline and routine, inflicting that on every teen.... ridiculous.'

Look at my post again... I CLEARLY state that some lads may benefit... and I go on to say that inflicting that on every teen is ridiculous as it simple won't be necessary they are perfectly functioning members of society as are some adults but not every adult. You can't very well institutionalise the many for the perceived faults of the few that would be foolish.

Please don't attempt to berate me when you simply misunderstood the intonation of my comment.

Come off it Kizzy - you had moved on from 'Bad Lads Army' when you posted the response below SPECIFICALLY to my post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
So society is screwed because of teenagers now? not joblessness or immigrants .. Kids and parents are the scapegoat de jour.

[Z]

Maybe they should make it compulsory if you plan to leave school at 16, if you're not going to educate yourself in a school then at least you'll get an education in the military.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Come off it Kizzy - you had moved on from 'Bad Lads Army' when you posted the response below SPECIFICALLY to my post:

Quote:
Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
So society is screwed because of teenagers now? not joblessness or immigrants .. Kids and parents are the scapegoat de jour.

I had not moved on no it was a reply to you yet I can't see what part of my post prompted you start pointing fingers at young people as undisciplined and 'fecking' up society.
The question of national service had not cropped up it was one off the cuff comment by prince Harry.
There is not an option for NEETs now to do nothing as education and or training is mandatory until 18 and has been for at least 2yrs.

[Cherry Christmas]

Originally Posted by Z

Maybe they should make it compulsory if you plan to leave school at 16, if you're not going to educate yourself in a school then at least you'll get an education in the military.

You cant leave school at 16 anymore in England at any rate, I suppose Scotland is different...better together lol

[Tom4784]

It's very easy to be judgemental and blame everything on teenagers and think that packing them off to the military will fix the problem but National Service won't help every troubled teenager. The Military lifestyle doesn't suit everyone and for every teenager that flourishes in the military there will be more that flounder. It'll do more damage than good.

If National Service entailed work opportunities outside of the military then I'd be for it but I'm very much against a military based service. It would be a much better idea to turn it into an apprenticeship scheme of sorts.