[arista]

Originally Posted by Ramsay

Cold calling is the work of the devil

Yes Ammi is out of touch

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by arista

Yes Ammi is out of touch

.....ok then Arista have it your way, I'll pop all cold callers on the dehumanised list and not give a thought to whether any of them are doing it because it's the only job that they could possible get and are being exploited too...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

.....ok then Arista have it your way, I'll pop all cold callers on the dehumanised list and not give a thought to whether any of them are doing it because it's the only job that they could possible get and are being exploited too...

I definitely agree with you Ammi, most of the people actually making the calls are 16 - 25 year olds on minimum wage and what are they supposed to do? The Jobcentre hammers them with jumping through hoops, probably sent them to the interview in the first place, if they're offered but refuse to take the job their job seekers will be sanctioned. If you get sent to an interview and the interviewer takes you on, what option do you have but to do the job, even if it's morally questionable? It's all very well saying people should take a moral stand but it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. Take the job and you're an unscrupulous abuser of the elderly. Don't take it and you have no income at all because they cut your JSA. Deliberately underperform in the interview and stay on JSA and you're "scrounging benefits scum".

It's the people who came up with the idea in the first place and run the company, and the people encouraging the use of bullying tactics, who are scum... Not the poor buggers chained to a phone all day.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I definitely agree with you Ammi, most of the people actually making the calls are 16 - 25 year olds on minimum wage and what are they supposed to do? The Jobcentre hammers them with jumping through hoops, probably sent them to the interview in the first place, if they're offered but refuse to take the job their job seekers will be sanctioned. If you get sent to an interview and the interviewer takes you on, what option do you have but to do the job, even if it's morally questionable? It's all very well saying people should take a moral stand but it's damned if you do, damned if you don't. Take the job and you're an unscrupulous abuser of the elderly. Don't take it and you have no income at all because they cut your JSA. Deliberately underperform in the interview and stay on JSA and you're "scrounging benefits scum".

It's the people who came up with the idea in the first place and run the company, and the people encouraging the use of bullying tactics, who are scum... Not the poor buggers chained to a phone all day.

..yeah, it's how they run their companies and the methods used and even it seems how some charities might be run and just another reason really why I prefer not to make cash donations to some of the larger charities/there are other ways...also obviously the call centres based in India as well, where it's basically phone 'sweatshop' work/exploitation of people who desperately need money to live and provide for their families...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..yeah, it's how they run their companies and the methods used and even it seems how some charities might be run and just another reason really why I prefer not to make cash donations to some of the larger charities/there are other ways...also obviously the call centres based in India as well, where it's basically phone 'sweatshop' work/exploitation of people who desperately need money to live and provide for their families...

Some of the big charities are awful for guilt tripping. I've had someone shout after me (as I avoid High Street charity salesmen like they're angry bears); "Oh so you don't care about kids with cancer then, that's nice!".

Big companies for all sorts of things are just as bad really, though. Angry official-seeming letters, completely false legal threats, debt collection threats, often for bills that have actually been paid, and all you get when you call is "Oh sorry, administrative error". I just get pissed off with these things now but a few years ago, when a demand for £100 "immediately" was an insurmountable ask, they used to make me pretty anxious. Which is crap even if you DO owe money. When you actually don't and it's "just an error" it's just not on.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Some of the big charities are awful for guilt tripping. I've had someone shout after me (as I avoid High Street charity salesmen like they're angry bears); "Oh so you don't care about kids with cancer then, that's nice!".

Big companies for all sorts of things are just as bad really, though. Angry official-seeming letters, completely false legal threats, debt collection threats, often for bills that have actually been paid, and all you get when you call is "Oh sorry, administrative error". I just get pissed off with these things now but a few years ago, when a demand for £100 "immediately" was an insurmountable ask, they used to make me pretty anxious. Which is crap even if you DO owe money. When you actually don't and it's "just an error" it's just not on.

..with my friend and it was quite a few years ago now, the training which I think was around a month and based away so he was away from home, involved trying to make conversation with the person called to offer insurance and then picking up on things found out, like if that person was living alone, so many fears would be emphasised to make them afraid and things like that and make them feel that these insurances were something that they couldn't possibly live without even though the questions they were asked also made it obvious that they couldn't afford the insurances either...he was totally depressed at the thought of having to actually do the job, which went against everything he believed to be right but thankfully he was offered another job while he was doing the training and accepted that one straight away ...