[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I can't take you serious when you support Evil Dick who attacked a female but that's a different story.

Lmao 'attacked' okay, that's a completely irrelevant situation to this, but nice try though.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Lmao 'attacked' okay, that's a completely irrelevant situation to this, but nice try though.

Yeah you praised evil dick for bullying jen.

I love pouring ice tea over a females head because i don't like them

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Liam-

That's why I elaborated somewhere up there ^^

While I don't understand why anyone would be a fan of him, that's not the problem, the way I see It is, I can't see how anyone can proclaim to have respect for women, yet appreciate, laugh at, or support the things he says about/to women at the same time

I don't support all of the things he says, the STI thing was out of order, as was his fantasy of penetrating Sam and making her cry, but with Marc I mainly support the fact that he's pissing people off, causing an atmosphere and making enemies than the things he's actually saying. It's not the comments I support, but the impact he's having is what makes him a good housemate IMO. And I totally don't buy into the argument that he is a bully, that to me is ludicrous

Originally Posted by LukeB

I can't take you serious when you support Evil Dick who attacked a female but that's a different story.

Actually that's a very good point. Now I liked Dick (lul) but the Jen incident and his general treatment of the houseguests was and is far worse than anything Marc has ever done or said, so...I'm pretty sure this whole lack of respect for women argument could be applied here also

[Lostie!]

The "Marc fans can't respect women" comments are inappropriate tbh. Can't people share different opinions without personal insults towards other forum members anymore?

I like Marc and I certainly respect women (and men, who are no less deserving of respect). I like him because I see him as a wind-up merchant, not some woman-hating bully (which is especially confusing since males have been at the brunt of his behaviour just as much).

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Jack_

I don't support all of the things he says, the STI thing was out of order, as was his fantasy of penetrating Sam and making her cry, but with Marc I mainly support the fact that he's pissing people off, causing an atmosphere and making enemies than the things he's actually saying. It's not the comments I support, but the impact he's having is what makes him a good housemate IMO. And I totally don't buy into the argument that he is a bully, that to me is ludicrous



Actually that's a very good point. Now I liked Dick (lul) but the Jen incident and his general treatment of the houseguests was and is far worse than anything Marc has ever done or said, so...I'm pretty sure this whole lack of respect for women argument could be applied here also

some more great post here my friend
Agree with everything you said.

[Liam-]

Luke literally can't have a single debate with me without throwing my like of Evil Dick at me, even when it's completely irrelevant, it's honestly hysterical
This is where I stop because its getting boring now, I've stated my opinion, I've defended it thoroughly, so now I'm done.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Luke literally can't have a single debate with me without throwing my like of Evil Dick at me, even when it's completely irrelevant, it's honestly hysterical
This is where I stop because its getting boring now, I've stated my opinion, I've defended it thoroughly, so now I'm done.

Not really, You moan and cry "marc fans don't respect women" when you support someone who is worse than Marc. So i can't really take what you say serious tbh.

I'm a marc fan and I respect both females and males

[Liam-]

Jesus Christ, do you not read things before you form an opinion?

I've said multiple times that it's not Marc fans that make me have that opinion, you can be a Marc fan idfc, be a Marc fan, but it's when the things he says get defended blindly for being 'entertaining' or 'funny' especially the incredibly derogatory things he says, mainly against women, that is what I'm forming my opinion on, not whether someone is a Marc fan, because as Jack has proved, some Marc fans can be a fan, without supporting every vile thing he says.

That is what i have clarified once or twice already, do you understand now? Lord have mercy.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

The "Marc fans can't respect women" comments are inappropriate tbh. Can't people share different opinions without personal insults towards other forum members anymore?

That was never specifically said, but I'll speak from where I come from on that.

I've seen people on here claim it's just banter over and over again and that deep down he's this nice person but he's crossed the line far too many times and been asked to stop by housemates and BB and he's pretty much refused. His comments have offended and hurt Chloe, Jade and Harry and reduuced them to tears so for me people who find his comments funny towards women and find his constant crude words entertaining maybe don't appreciate that the women around him should not have to put up with it.

Therfore I genuinely wonder how much respect for women some people may have if they find him calling somebody a cum bucket or a ugly pig prostitute honestly amusing because personally if I saw a man call a woman those things I would be disgusted.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Jesus Christ, do you not read things before you form an opinion?

I've said multiple times that it's not Marc fans that make me have that opinion, you can be a Marc fan idfc, be a Marc fan, but it's when the things he says get defended blindly for being 'entertaining' or 'funny' especially the incredibly derogatory things he says, mainly against women, that is what I'm forming my opinion on, not whether someone is a Marc fan, because as Jack has proved, some Marc fans can be a fan, without supporting every vile thing he says.

That is what i have clarified once or twice already, do you understand now? Lord have mercy.

I do read things actually and you don't need to be so condescending it's quite rude. You didn;t say that before, you just agreed with Jack tbh so

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

The "Marc fans can't respect women" comments are inappropriate tbh. Can't people share different opinions without personal insults towards other forum members anymore?

I like Marc and I certainly respect women (and men, who are no less deserving of respect). I like him because I see him as a wind-up merchant, not some woman-hating bully (which is especially confusing since males have been at the brunt of his behaviour just as much).

I disagree with the last part of your post, he hasn't treated the men in there in the same way he has treated the women. I think Sam somewhat encourages the comments he makes toward her so I'm not too fussed about that but the things he said to Chloe were out of order and just nasty, therefore I don't get why people support him. Obviously you can all like who you want to like but it's slightly disappointing, that's all. I also don't think the posts about lack of respect for women from Marc fans were insulting as such.

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LukeB

I do read things actually and you don't need to be so condescending it's quite rude. You didn;t say that before, you just agreed with Jack tbh so

I said it twice before, once when I quoted Dollface and once when I quoted Jack, so you obviously don't read things very well, you just skip to the bits you want to see, I wasn't being condescending, I just don't like people trying to twist my words.

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by Lostie!

I like Marc and I certainly respect women (and men, who are no less deserving of respect). I like him because I see him as a wind-up merchant, not some woman-hating bully (which is especially confusing since males have been at the brunt of his behaviour just as much).

I totally disagree with the latter part of your comment. Sorry to split your commrnt in half but I sort of have a lot to say haha.

For me he has specifically targetted the women with lewd comments, yeah he has wound up thr guys but I haven't heard him be generally repulsive like he has to all the female housemates.

He's made personal comments to Chloe (calling her fat and saying she has STIs) Sam (baggy fanny) and now Harry (ugly, pig, prostitute, smelly...I could go on) wheras I can't think of one moment he's made fun of how a male housemate looks.

In my eyes he sees women as weaker so he picks at them.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

I said it twice before, once when I quoted Dollface and once when I quoted Jack, so you obviously don't read things very well, you just skip to the bits you want to see, I wasn't being condescending, I just don't like people trying to twist my words.

Sure Jan.

I still can't take you serious tbh

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by LukeB

Sure Jan.

I still can't take you serious tbh

You can 'sure Jan' me all you like, but the fact is, you're wrong, because I stated very clearly what I meant and it's not my fault if you can't be bothered to actually realise that

Don't take me seriously, I honestly couldn't care less, idk why you think saying that is going to bother me lol

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Don't take me seriously, I honestly couldn't care less, idk why you think saying that is going to bother me lol

I don't think that jeez louise

[Amy Jade]

Liam for what it's worth I think you make perfect sense and great points ♡

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

Liam for what it's worth I think you make perfect sense and great points ♡

Thank you!

I take the time to explain myself and defend my opinions, so it annoys me when people make out like I haven't to try and win points in some sort of vendetta.

[LukeB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Thank you!

I take the time to explain myself and defend my opinions, so it annoys me when people make out like I haven't to try and win points in some sort of vendetta.

it's not a game tbh, I'm not trying to win points. it's just a bloody forum.

[the truth]

if only women like harry would show men more respect for men instead of using them for material gain and air time

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by the truth

if only women like harry would show men more respect for men instead of using them for material gain and air time

conveniently ignored me

[Amy Jade]

Originally Posted by the truth

if only women like harry would show men more respect for men instead of using them for material gain and air time

Oh please Nick is the one bed hopping from Jade to Harry so whos using who?

[Lostie!]

Originally Posted by Amy Jade

That was never specifically said, but I'll speak from where I come from on that.

I've seen people on here claim it's just banter over and over again and that deep down he's this nice person but he's crossed the line far too many times and been asked to stop by housemates and BB and he's pretty much refused. His comments have offended and hurt Chloe, Jade and Harry and reduuced them to tears so for me people who find his comments funny towards women and find his constant crude words entertaining maybe don't appreciate that the women around him should not have to put up with it.

Therfore I genuinely wonder how much respect for women some people may have if they find him calling somebody a cum bucket or a ugly pig prostitute honestly amusing because personally if I saw a man call a woman those things I would be disgusted.

I was paraphrasing, but the point that it's hard to believe that someone can have respect for people and be a Marc fan was said, and I don't think that's fair.

In regard to the specific comments you mentioned, I can say I believe he crossed some lines and I voted yes on the poll asking if he deserved his warning for his comments to Sam (but I think that was just really bad humour rather than a serious comment).

Actually, I never find his outrageous comments funny, that's not the side of Marc I'm a fan of.

Originally Posted by Dollface

I disagree with the last part of your post, he hasn't treated the men in there in the same way he has treated the women. I think Sam somewhat encourages the comments he makes toward her so I'm not too fussed about that but the things he said to Chloe were out of order and just nasty, therefore I don't get why people support him. Obviously you can all like who you want to like but it's slightly disappointing, that's all. I also don't think the posts about lack of respect for women from Marc fans were insulting as such.

Well as said above, me liking Marc has nothing to do with his comments (which I don't find funny, but I also don't believe most of them are serious).

I first started liking Marc when he objected to the ridiculous nomination of Eileen last week, and then when he provided a much needed voice of reason when everyone else in there was jumping on the "Let's hate Simon" bandwagon. His stupid comments are his downside.

And I think any posts generalising fans of a housemate and making unfair judgements are insulting, to be honest.

[Liam-]

Who generalised his fans though? I didn't

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Jack_

conveniently ignored me

ignored who? lol