[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

They know they're fat but choose to carry on munching and slouching about. I was woken up to the fact I was morbidly obese (fat) when I had some heart and blood pressure problems. It was a wake up call and I did something about it changing my life around totally.

So you decided when you were ready to...good for you. Making people feel like a piece of s**t is usually not the best motivator though.

[Jake.]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

So you decided when you were ready to...good for you. Making people feel like a piece of s**t is usually not the best motivator though.

[ebandit]

Originally Posted by sampvt

If we weighed her on a height for weight chart, she should be 11 foot 9 inches so really, she is just too short.....Is that better.

an interesting question............if the bmi of mark and chloe was compared

........which would be the greater?

fat is largely a perception.............and as another member pointed out

us grown ups...no longer have need for such childish insults

Mark L

[Gillian-73]

No wonder so many people have body image problems with the attitudes of some!

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Withano

It shouldn't matter what the joke is. if somebody makes a joke, or indeed, comments seriously, on somebody's physical appearance and you don't react with sympathy to the victim or a little angst towards the Attacker, it probably says more about you than everybody else involved.

he doesn't comment serious..he pokes fun....I'm as fit as a bag of crisps and as strong as a jelly baby and i thought it was hilarious. I've always poked fun with friends and they always poke fun with me and i wouldn't be the least bit bother by the joke said in a good humored way ...He is a nice guy and you making him out to be horrible

Victim and attacker..you cheapen the words when you portray it like that and it should offend anyone who had truly abused verbally or otherwise

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

IMO the word fat is a negative descriptive word, surely we shouldn't be insulting others looks/weight, i thought name calling was left in the playground

well he didn't say fat last night..chloe did

[Absorption]

The problem is that many people who accuse others of being fat, especially those in the media, would have us believe that a size 0 model is the epitome of health.

There is a happy medium but I'd rather someone had Chloe's figure than was verging on skeletal.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

he doesn't comment serious..he pokes fun....I'm as fit as a bag of crisps and as strong as a jelly baby and i thought it was hilarious. I've always poked fun with friends and they always poke fun with me and i wouldn't be the least bit bother by the joke said in a good humored way ...He is a nice guy and you making him out to be horrible

Victim and attacker..you cheapen the words when you portray it like that and it should offend anyone who had truly abused verbally or otherwise

Maybe that's the difference.. They're not friends and he isn't a nice person.. Jokes that make others upset are not okay.. Obviously.. And to repeat the jokes that weren't okay the first time round is proof to me that he isn't a nice person.

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Withano

Maybe that's the difference.. They're not friends and he isn't a nice person.. Jokes that make others upset are not okay.. Obviously.. And to repeat the jokes that weren't okay the first time round is proof to me that he isn't a nice person.

i guess that depends how you define friends? are Danny and jack friends? nick and harry? They have a level of familiarity from a shared experience..Tasks done together..laughs shared...dinners...life stories exchanged...that is friends enough to me to poke fun...

you know like chloe..making a joke about Sam fingering herself..but i guess if she said "you should watch gold finger AND you are as fit as a packet of crisps" then it would be horrible and you could tell chloe was not a nice person

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

i guess that depends how you define friends? are Danny and jack friends? nick and harry? They have a level of familiarity from a shared experience..Tasks done together..laughs shared...dinners...life stories exchanged...that is friends enough to me to poke fun...

you know like chloe..making a joke about Sam fingering herself..but i guess if she said "you should watch gold finger AND you are as fit as a packet of crisps" then it would be horrible and you could tell chloe was not a nice person

It sounds like you're saying that Chloe making sex jokes about Sam are inappropriate but Marc making fat jokes about Chloe are hilarious?

[minty3]

Originally Posted by Robertocarlo

Sorry but I worked very hard at the gym for several years to maintain my body weight and physique. I came second in a bodybuilding contest last year at the age of 60!!! At the gym I go to there are fat people who joined the same time I did and several years later they're still fat!? They need to be told quite bluntly they're fat and to do something about it like exercise and diet. I no longer believe in pussy footing around with PC language with fatties. They won't change until they are given a real jolt to change their lives around.

Im 27 and have lost over 3 stone since near beginning of the year but i would never put someone down on there weight we know nothing about their situation

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Withano

It sounds like you're saying that Chloe making sex jokes about Sam are inappropriate but Marc making fat jokes about Chloe are hilarious?

No....I"m saying they are on about the same level and it is unfair to condemn one as a bad person unless you are going to condemn the other as well...More over..as long as Chloe feels it ok to make jokes about Sam fingering herself ..she has no right to be offended by a fat joke.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by sampvt

Is fat not a word we are allowed to use anymore. It describes someone who is overweight and she is overweight so she is fat, end of discussion. What is the problem. We wont be able to say Bello is ugly, we will have to say his face isn't ergonomically perfect, no, he is an ugly git, end of.

But she isn't overweight.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

No....I"m saying they are on about the same level and it is unfair to condemn one as a bad person unless you are going to condemn the other as well...More over..as long as Chloe feels it ok to make jokes about Sam fingering herself ..she has no right to be offended by a fat joke.

I do disagree with everything that you're saying, I'm just trying to work out your point. I Don't think the situations are remotely similar.

Chloe's joke, although arguably distasteful, did have some witty side to it. I genuinely believe if Sam appeared upset by the joke (instead of the shock and confused reaction) Chloe would have apologised. The main difference for me is that Marc repeatedly uses the same "joke" (the joke which involves zero wit), and decided to repeat the joke although it upsets people. He has never apologised for the joke but has instead tried to spin it in them "why can't you take a joke"

I don't see any similarities really, Chloe has never repeated a joke and definitely wouldn't if she saw it upset people. Marc's jokes are not even technically witty, it's just a cruel dig that he justifies as banter and will repeatedly do so despite the upset it may cause.

I understand you disagree and that you think the situations are super similar so I'm just wondering if you think they're both in the right and they're hilarious or they're both in the wrong and gone too far.

[Dollface]

The attitudes of some supposed adults are disgraceful. I'd expect people that have been overweight to be a bit more understanding, but nope. Even Nikki who has suffered with anorexia made a dig at someones weight last night. It's all really pathetic.
Chloe isn't fat, she isn't stick thin either but she isn't fat.

[smudgie]

People weight is up to them, if they are really not happy they will try and change it, not always successfully as there are varied reasons for the situation.
Unfortunately if you are blessed with a horrible personality you are stuck with it.

[Griffin5779]

"It sounds like you're saying that Chloe making sex jokes about Sam are inappropriate but Marc making fat jokes about Chloe are hilarious"

me..I think both where ok...But i think Chloes comment was cruder..(and since i use that kind of humor myself to people i am or wish to be friends with)..I think Marcs jokes (last night) was more good humored. They where meant to be shared jokes with Sam.

like slapping your mate on the back and saying playfully and saying "you can be a real tit sometime you know"

Chloes on the other hand .. was a joke to large group of people..singeing out a third person..who was being made fun of

so honestly you could make the argument that if either joke was cruel..it was chloes

[Dollface]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

me..I think both where ok...But i think Chloes comment was cruder..(and since i use that kind of humor myself to people i am or wish to be friends with)..I think Marcs jokes (last night) was more good humored. They where meant to be shared jokes with Sam.

like slapping your mate on the back and saying playfully and saying "you can be a real tit sometime you know"

Chloes on the other hand .. was a joke to large group of people..singeing out a third person..who was being made fun of

so honestly you could make the argument that if either joke was cruel..it was chloes

They were all making jokes about the Sam incident, however Marc is the only one telling people they're fat/heavy (he even called Cristian skinny during an argument, always picking on peoples appearances) so, no, Chloe's joke wasn't cruel.

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Withano

I understand you disagree and that you think the situations are super similar so I'm just wondering if you think they're both in the right and they're hilarious or they're both in the wrong and gone too far.

As i child i ostracized and picked on..made fun of by "groups" of other kids at school...but i could alway share a joke with a freind..even one that came at either of ours exspence...and it was not an "attack" .. but a bonding moment

So if you asked which was worse..it was chloe...but in that house..in a shared experience..i think either was ok.

I don't like nasty people..i never have..and i would be fine having a mate like marc..I'm sorry i don't see what you see..he is a good guy

[just thinkin]

A 60 year old calling insulting a kid ...classy

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Dollface

They were all making jokes about the Sam incident, however Marc is the only one telling people they're fat/heavy (he even called Cristian skinny during an argument, always picking on peoples appearances) so, no, Chloe's joke wasn't cruel.

??? so one on one joking is bad..but if you ganging up on someone its ok?

I don't think you really believe that

[Pete.]

Poor Chloe

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by just thinkin

A 60 year old calling insulting a kid ...classy

no idea what you are on about

[Withano]

Originally Posted by Griffin5779

As i child i ostracized and picked on..made fun of by "groups" of other kids at school...but i could alway share a joke with a freind..even one that came at either of ours exspence...and it was not an "attack" .. but a bonding moment

So if you asked which was worse..it was chloe...but in that house..in a shared experience..i think either was ok.

I don't like nasty people..i never have..and i would be fine having a mate like marc..I'm sorry i don't see what you see..he is a good guy

I have a similar relationship with my friends, and probably Marc and his friends too. I'd almost definitely get on with Marc in person but the guy needs a filter. If he can't see when he goes tOo far at his age, he never will. If you don't see how people have a right to be upset with fat "jokes" then it's probably beyond explaining to you too. He has gone too far on many occasions other than this and because he never apologises and never stops, it's clear to me that he's not a nice guy.

[Griffin5779]

Originally Posted by Withano

I have a similar relationship with my friends, and probably Marc and his friends too. I'd almost definitely get on with Marc in person but the guy needs a filter. If he can't see when he goes to far at his age, he never will. If you don't see how people have a right to be upset with fat "jokes" then it's probably beyond explaining to you too. He has gone too far on many occasions other than this and because he never apologises and never stops, it's clear to me that he's not a nice guy.

I've said from days one he should tone it down..and if he was my friend i'd find away to get that point across to him without making it an argument..

But the point of the thread was chloe being offended when she had no problem making it jokes about sam some i don't think its fair to make a blanket statement about fat jokes being bad and ignoring chloes "humor"

as i said before...i'm as fit as packet of crisps myself and if a friend ..even on the level you can call all the housemates friends ..said that to me i would laugh out loud..