[arista]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Personally I don't agree with it and I also think policing it will be near impossible really.

However, at least,since it is an issue raised by those women who have been harassed and sexually harassed before, especially later in the evening, then to at least be looking at something as to the issue,is better than actually saying and doing nothing.

The women who have been near or actually harassed or sexually harassed or even assaulted are the ones who should be involved in the best way forward as to this and it seems clear Jeremy Corbyn is at the very least someone who will listen to their thoughts and experiences,rather than just pay them lip service like most politicians.

But there may be alot

Female "Butch " Guards
willing to save these slick women

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I did read the article I am in favour of making transport safe for all, there needs to be a police/staff presence rather than making stations and trains automated facilities, a women only carriage is not the solution

That's not going to be possible putting an officer on every late night service is it?
I doubt if railstaff would relish the idea of playing nanny either, but it's an idea as was the female only carriages.. both have drawbacks.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

But there may be alot

Female "Butch " Guards
willing to save these slick women

I'll do it!... gizza job!

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

That's not going to be possible putting an officer on every late night service is it?
I doubt if railstaff would relish the idea of playing nanny either, but it's an idea as was the female only carriages.. both have drawbacks.

We used have guards on every train before it all came down to turning a profit don't see why the train companies can't step up here after all it's happening on their watch and their profits are enormous

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I'll do it!... gizza job!

How Nice


Insp.Kizzy

Keeping those Randy Men out of the womens carriage

[Cherie]

It would be interesting to know how many male are assaulted on trains Not sure why women are the focus, it's all very Victorian

[arista]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It would be interesting to know how many male are assaulted on trains Not sure why women are the focus, it's all very Victorian

There is a Few younger male ones
but many will never report it
as they are ashamed of it etc


It appears so many late night women office workers
are getting touched up.

I would give them Pepper Spray
but you must be trained to get his their "eyes" good

[JoshBB]

Idk I have mixed feelings about this.

I can't see it being practical, but from what I understand is that these carriages would serve as a choice thing, meaning that it's not segregation as some people have put it, but women if they feel like they might be harassed can go in there.

But yeah it's only an idea and not a policy, he says he will talk to women and they will ultimately decide whether or not it becomes a policy which is very sensible and I respect that. Who knows womens issues better than women?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It would be interesting to know how many male are assaulted on trains Not sure why women are the focus, it's all very Victorian

There's probably a statistic out there, and I would assume there is a minority of men being assaulted by women, but I know it is overwhelmingly the women being assaulted, we're talking in the 80-90% range..

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

There's probably a statistic out there, and I would assume there is a minority of men being assaulted by women, but I know it is overwhelmingly the women being assaulted, we're talking in the 80-90% range..

I'm talking about men and women being assaulted by both sexes, I can imagine that a lot of male assaults go unreported, we are not just talking sexual assault here, but physical and verbal as well

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Idk I have mixed feelings about this.

I can't see it being practical, but from what I understand is that these carriages would serve as a choice thing, meaning that it's not segregation as some people have put it, but women if they feel like they might be harassed can go in there.

But yeah it's only an idea and not a policy, he says he will talk to women and they will ultimately decide whether or not it becomes a policy which is very sensible and I respect that. Who knows womens issues better than women?

In women only carriages who is going to stop a male getting on? The railways need policing not people who pay massive ticket prices policing themselves

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I'm talking about men and women being assaulted by both sexes, I can imagine that a lot of male assaults go unreported, we are not just talking sexual assault here, but physical and verbal as well

Oh oops yea I forgot thats a thing

I guess some kind of campaign to support male victims of rape/assault/harassment could really help, the whole not-reporting thing is really awful and another product of the patriarchy which affects men too.

But I do think that women are far more affected than men are by things like this.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Cherie

In women only carriages who is going to stop a male getting on? The railways need policing not people who pay massive ticket prices policing themselves

& I also think more policing would be wise, a divestment of some defence funds from trident to extra police would be good imo

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

We used have guards on every train before it all came down to turning a profit don't see why the train companies can't step up here after all it's happening on their watch and their profits are enormous

If they had manned CCTV in operation on late night trains that would be an ideal solution for me, I agree the duty of care lies with them.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

& I also think more policing would be wise, a divestment of some defence funds from trident to extra police would be good imo

I don't think the tax payer should be footing the bill! We already pay outrageous ticket prices for train/ tube travel that can pay for it as part of reinvestment...

[kirklancaster]

All you girls need are these guys - Guardian Angels.

[bots]

what we need is community policing .... oh wait

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Cherie

I don't think the tax payer should be footing the bill! We already pay outrageous ticket prices for train/ tube travel that can pay for it as part of reinvestment...

Wouldn't cost any more, even if the government scrapped 1/4 of trident, then we'd have Ł25billion you could put into it.

(but the railways need to be nationalised imo)

[Tom4784]

People are desperate for a stick to beat Corbyn with.

If it's worked well in other countries then I'd say give it a go.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

All you girls need are these guys - Guardian Angels.

Don't scoff that's a good idea.

[Livia]

The only time I've ever been accosted on a train was by a drunken woman. Corbyn is an idiot perpetuating the myth that men are violent rapists and women are all sweetness and light. If that's true, how come there are so many violent women in prison right now?

[Suze]

I have no idea if this would work or not just because it has in other Countries, however I would rather take my chances in a mixed carriage if I was not travelling alone but with a son, brother, father, or any male sibling or friend, but that is just me. If women fought for equality, shouldn't they just be allowed to be treated as equals and not wrapped in cotton wool. Maybe the idea was well intentioned but also not thought out that well. Or maybe I make no sense, if so just ignore this post.

[bots]

doesn't this fly in the face of equality?

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Suze

I have no idea if this would work or not just because it has in other Countries, however I would rather take my chances in a mixed carriage if I was not travelling alone but with a son, brother, father, or any male sibling or friend, but that is just me. If women fought for equality, shouldn't they just be allowed to be treated as equals and not wrapped in cotton wool. Maybe the idea was well intentioned but also not thought out that well. Or maybe I make no sense, if so just ignore this post.

Your posts always make sense Suze.

This is not an issue where anything is really irrelevant or should be discounted.
However, clearly there have been women who are worried about being harassed or sexually harassed on trains.
If there was feeling they would feel safer in an all female carriage,then there is no harm whatsoever in looking at how something like that could be arranged.
Until such time as there is as near guaranteed safety and security for all on all forms of transport, not just trains.
In this tense age, all public transport should be fitted with the tightest and reliable security for terrorism anyway,if that was done no one could even then get away with sexually harassing or assaulting anyone on any public transport.

At least Jeremy Corbyn has listened, maybe this is far from being the best idea at present but at least he has given thought to the problem and warrants credit for that.

It is time this govt after 5 years in power and endless threats as to terrorism and other attacks.made sure all public transport was totally safe and reliable to use, rather that just talk endlessly about issues and do absolutely nothing whatsoever of any note to deal with same.

Most people likely do not come across such attacks or harassment,maybe they are not people travelling very late at night either.
However, if enough people are worried about it to have raised it as an issue, for goodness sake let us give credit to anyone who at least has listened and is toying with ideas to deal with it.

Rather than use the opportunity just to get at Jeremy Corbyn, because he appears to be someone with radical,if not old, ideas who is now striking a strong chord with the average people and voters in the UK.
While admiring those already in power who allow such attacks to take place and it seems increase too while doing not a thing at all, not even listening likely to the people who have complained at harassment and raised the issue too.

[bots]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Your posts always make sense Suze.

This is not an issue where anything is really irrelevant or should be discounted.
However, clearly there have been women who are worried about being harassed or sexually harassed on trains.
If there was feeling they would feel safer in an all female carriage,then there is no harm whatsoever in looking at how something like that could be arranged.
Until such time as there is as near guaranteed safety and security for all on all forms of transport, not just trains.
In this tense age, all public transport should be fitted with the tightest and reliable security for terrorism anyway,if that was done no one could even then get away with sexually harassing or assaulting anyone on any public transport.

At least Jeremy Corbyn has listened, maybe this is far from being the best idea at present but at least he has given thought to the problem and warrants credit for that.

It is time this govt after 5 years in power and endless threats as to terrorism and other attacks.made sure all public transport was totally safe and reliable to use, rather that just talk endlessly about issues and do absolutely nothing whatsoever of any note to deal with same.

Most people likely do not come across such attacks or harassment,maybe they are not people travelling very late at night either.
However, if enough people are worried about it to have raised it as an issue, for goodness sake let us give credit to anyone who at least has listened and is toying with ideas to deal with it.

Rather than use the opportunity just to get at Jeremy Corbyn, because he appears to be someone with radical,if not old, ideas who is now striking a strong chord with the average people and voters in the UK.
While admiring those already in power who allow such attacks to take place and it seems increase too while doing not a thing at all, not even listening likely to the people who have complained at harassment and raised the issue too.

I think you make valid points Joey, the idea of women's only carriages may not be the correct solution, but at least the subject is being talked about, and its by talking about it that solutions can be found.

If it appears a popular avenue to pursue, how long do you think it will take the conservatives to jump on it

As to Jeremy Corbyn, he will have to demonstrate a more rounded political stance before i part with 3 quid to give him a vote