[user104658]

Originally Posted by empire

the problem with the left wing is that, they think that violence and intimidation will make them the winners of the election,

The problem with the cheese is that butterflies and rainbows don't know how to solve complex maths equations rabble rabble rabble.

Huh?

Oh sorry, I thought we were just saying random ****. I thought that was what the thread was about.


Anyway, regarding the insults and whatever, yes they're stupid terms and generalising in general is generally stupid. However, I disagree with the entire concept of anything being "allowed" or otherwise. Unless threads have descended into outright jokey trolling, I personally think they should be left open, unedited and uncensored, and that people should be able to say what they want. That's just a personal opinion of mine that applies to all forums etc. I'd love to be able to open 'er up once in a while and see where threads would actually go. I don't think I've ever gotten past 3rd gear on here without the thread getting closed and / or deleted .

Essentially, if people want to bleat media soundbites like "looney lefty" then they're simply demonstrating the sort of person that they are. So let them? Better to know than have them hide it, really.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The problem with the cheese is that butterflies and rainbows don't know how to solve complex maths equations rabble rabble rabble.

Huh?

Oh sorry, I thought we were just saying random ****. I thought that was what the thread was about.


Anyway, regarding the insults and whatever, yes they're stupid terms and generalising in general is generally stupid. However, I disagree with the entire concept of anything being "allowed" or otherwise. Unless threads have descended into outright jokey trolling, I personally think they should be left open, unedited and uncensored, and that people should be able to say what they want. That's just a personal opinion of mine that applies to all forums etc. I'd love to be able to open 'er up once in a while and see where threads would actually go. I don't think I've ever gotten past 3rd gear on here without the thread getting closed and / or deleted .

Essentially, if people want to bleat media soundbites like "looney lefty" then they're simply demonstrating the sort of person that they are. So let them? Better to know than have them hide it, really.

..I'm not going to comment on any of the OP or previous posts/comments etc because I don't want to inflame anything that has already been closed/cleaned etc which it obviously has....

..but what you're saying really is a completely un moderated site more or less then...for basically TiBB not to be TiBB at all or anything remotely resembling TiBB...and the sort of site..(when newspaper stories are discussed etc...)..of these 'say anything sites'...that we're all saying they're just awful because of bullying, trolling by some quite sinister people etc and in the extreme, some on them having taken their own lives because of the sites they are and what has been allowed through lack of moderation...because you and I both know that these things to the extent you seem to want , will not stay within a specific thread, I mean let's be honest, they don't anyway....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I'm not going to comment on any of the OP or previous posts/comments etc because I don't want to inflame anything that has already been closed/cleaned etc which it obviously has....

..but what you're saying really is a completely un moderated site more or less then...for basically TiBB not to be TiBB at all or anything remotely resembling TiBB...and the sort of site..(when newspaper stories are discussed etc...)..of these 'say anything sites'...that we're all saying they're just awful because of bullying, trolling by some quite sinister people etc and in the extreme, some on them having taken their own lives because of the sites they are and what has been allowed through lack of moderation...because you and I both know that these things to the extent you seem to want , will not stay within a specific thread, I mean let's be honest, they don't anyway....

Unless TiBB membership was to suddenly surge by thousands, that wouldn't happen. Low / no moderation ONLY works on smaller communities like this one, but it can and does work. I'm talking more "no limits" than "no rulez", genuine bullying is pretty easy to spot.

But scrubbing every thread because things are said that some people might get a bit offended about... Well... Like I said. You can delete thy err words on screen but you can't delete the opinion that's in their head. I personally would rather know what a person actually thinks than have them self-centered or be censored by others. How can you form a legitimate opinion of someone otherwise? You might think they're awesome, only to find out that they've been holding back on some really, truly nasty opinions...

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Unless TiBB membership was to suddenly surge by thousands, that wouldn't happen. Low / no moderation ONLY works on smaller communities like this one, but it can and does work. I'm talking more "no limits" than "no rulez", genuine bullying is pretty easy to spot.

But scrubbing every thread because things are said that some people might get a bit offended about... Well... Like I said. You can delete thy err words on screen but you can't delete the opinion that's in their head. I personally would rather know what a person actually thinks than have them self-centered or be censored by others. How can you form a legitimate opinion of someone otherwise? You might think they're awesome, only to find out that they've been holding back on some really, truly nasty opinions...

..I can't agree TS, numbers on the forum don't have a bearing in that it's more what you would like to see personally would attract to the forum a negative quality...'build and they will come'...that might be a movie quote but I think it's very true in life as well...you build negativity, and that's what it will attract and negativity breeds much more quickly that positivity, we both know that as well..and as it grows in numbers, the positivity leaves, becomes less balanced until there is none left and a total imbalance...and all you have....and I don't agree about the 'genuine bullying' either and it being easy to spot...bullying that is spotted as you say is in a way the easy bullying because it can be addressed..I don't mean easy as in it's potential damage to a person but it has been spotted so can be addressed...the 'genuine bullying' and only using that term, is the bullying that does take lives/lead to some taking their lives and that's because in so may cases it hasn't been spotted and 'actioned' ...and there are some very young people on this forum who have to be considered...those young people are also what makes TiBB hat it is and have a 'family' feel in general despite some personal agendas....

..with your last bit...that's the whole point TS, why do you need opinions on members..isn't it all about discussing topics with a wide variety of opinions and perspectives, so there is no relevance on opinions of members other than their opinions etc may not be something that you're interested in discussing with them in particular...I mean, what you're saying is that judging people is important to you in discussing something...and they're not people who are part of your own life/your 'real' life in anyway where you may thing....oh, I just can't connect to that person at all on any level so they won't be part of my life in any deep way etc...

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I can't agree TS, numbers on the forum don't have a bearing in that it's more what you would like to see personally would attract to the forum a negative quality...'build and they will come'...that might be a movie quote but I think it's very true in life as well...you build negativity, and that's what it will attract and negativity breeds much more quickly that positivity, we both know that as well..and as it grows in numbers, the positivity leaves, becomes less balanced until there is none left and a total imbalance...and all you have....and I don't agree about the 'genuine bullying' either and it being easy to spot...bullying that is spotted as you say is in a way the easy bullying because it can be addressed..I don't mean easy as in it's potential damage to a person but it has been spotted so can be addressed...the 'genuine bullying' and only using that term, is the bullying that does take lives/lead to some taking their lives and that's because in so may cases it hasn't been spotted and 'actioned' ...and there are some very young people on this forum who have to be considered...those young people are also what makes TiBB hat it is and have a 'family' feel in general despite some personal agendas....

..with your last bit...that's the whole point TS, why do you need opinions on members..isn't it all about discussing topics with a wide variety of opinions and perspectives, so there is no relevance on opinions of members other than their opinions etc may not be something that you're interested in discussing with them in particular...I mean, what you're saying is that judging people is important to you in discussing something...and they're not people who are part of your own life/your 'real' life in anyway where you may thing....oh, I just can't connect to that person at all on any level so they won't be part of my life in any deep way etc...

[user104658]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Sort of surprised that you agree with the wing clipping, kirk... Your own posts and threads have been one of the biggest victims

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Sort of surprised that you agree with the wing clipping, kirk... Your own posts and threads have been one of the biggest victims

..this is the thing though/a big part of it...THIS IS THE THING EXACTLY.....tit for tat and tat for tit ..(if I recall furry cuddly hamster/lions and tiger threads that have been closed as well..)...whatever this forum needs and whatever it's flaws or WHATEVER...what it needs most is a very, very heaped and overflowing spoonful od self awareness because that's exactly it and these comments that escalates and moves it so far from topic that really..?...who can be bothered, life is too short etc ..and so SD section becomes less and less appealing to anyone who wants any sense of balance and enjoyment out of the forum as well...anyways, I'm off to start my day so I'll leave you all to tit and tat and dance together....

..I'll have you know though that Josy is in tears right now, you trying to cut her hours and all and no consideration but a me, me, me attitude so pfffttt../unemployment figures...