[arista]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This is why the PM is doing the right thing in going straight to the camps.Who knows wtf has landed in Europe,Terrorists,Eco migrants....

Bang On Right

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This is why the PM is doing the right thing in going straight to the camps.Who knows wtf has landed in Europe,Terrorists,Eco migrants....

More sense from you Paul.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'The image of a Syrian child face down in the sand after his tiny body was washed ashore has sparked international outcry over the failure to find a solution to the migrant crisis.
This is what we know so far about the young boy, who was found washed up on Bodrum beach in Turkey.
The toddler has been named by Turkish media as three-year-old Aylan Kurdi.
Aylan is reportedly from the town of Kobani in Syria, which has seen heavy fighting between IS militants and Kurdish forces.
According to Canadian media, the family were trying to reach Canada, where an aunt has lived for 20 years
The National Post reports that the family had previously tried and failed to obtain a privately-sponsored refugee visa in June.
The hashtag "KiyiyaVuranInsanlik" - "humanity washed ashore" became the top trending topic on Twitter after an image of Aylan, who was found washed up on a beach near Bodrum, Turkey, was shared online.
The picture has sparked international outcry over the failure to find a solution to the migrant crisis.
Aylan is believed to have died alongside his five-year-old brother Galip, who had been travelling in the same boat.
The boys are believed to be two of 11 Syrian refugees who died after trying to cross the Mediterranean on two boats bound for the Greek island of Kos.
The two boats, carrying a total of 23 people, had set off separately from the Akyarlar area of the Bodrum peninsula.'

http://www.itv.com/news/2015-09-02/w...ach-in-turkey/

Typical media story designed to pull at the heart strings of gullible readers . There are far more important things at stake here than the unfortunate drowning of a child.

The Schengen Agreement is an affront to our sovereignty and should be abolished without delay. The EU experiment has been a disaster for the the UK and we need to leave it immediately.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Typical media story designed to pull at the heart strings of gullible readers . There are far more important things at stake here than the unfortunate drowning of a child.

The Schengen Agreement is an affront to our sovereignty and should be abolished without delay. The EU experiment has been a disaster for the the UK and we need to leave it immediately.

A very brave but very true post Nedusa. Very True.

[DemolitionRed]

But Britain and Northern Ireland never joined the Schengen agreement. We were one of the countries that opted out.

The countries who did join can opt out at any time, they don't need to leave the EU to do that. Germany and Austria have done just that since a record number of migrants have travelled there. France has re-imposed its border controls from time to time and so have the Dutch.

For the Brits, the one thing that benefits us from the Schengen agreement is rapid response when chasing criminals across borders.

[Kizzy]

I don't think think that's common knowledge is it.. or there wouldn't be so many having such a hysterical knee jerk reaction to this humanitarian crisis.

[bots]

The problem from a UK perspective is people using their Schengen travel capability to wander through europe, arrive in France and then sneak in to the UK. The UK can't control that easily.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The problem from a UK perspective is people using their Schengen travel capability to wander through europe, arrive in France and then sneak in to the UK. The UK can't control that easily.

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

well only in as much as we are part of europe, because of the free travel within europe once you are in, all the european borders become a concern

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

But where did BitOnTheSlide say that Kizzy? He was merely and rightfully pointing out the problem to the UK that the Schengen Agreement causes.

I personally feel that we have a duty of common sense to 'monitor the rest of the world'.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Right so we're not only bothered about monitoring and tracking those in and from the UK but the rest of the world too?

Just to clarify the process and the context. Someone outside of europe can apply for a Schengen visa, at any country that is within that system. Once that visa is granted, the person can then choose to travel to any other country in europe within the Schengen system. The current list of countries in the Schengen agreement is:

- Austria
- Belgium
- Czech Republic
- Denmark
- Estonia
- Finland
- France
- Germany
- Greece
- Hungary
- Iceland (not a European Union Member State)
- Italy
- Latvia
- Liechtenstein (not a European Union Member State)
- Lithuania
- Luxembourg
- Malta
- Netherlands
- Norway (not a European Union Member State)
- Poland
- Portugal
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Spain
- Sweden
- Swiss (not a European Union Member State)


Typically, people trying to get a visa apply to the one with the minimum restrictions, that was Finland I think, not sure if that is still the case. The UK is not part of the Schengen system, so while someone may have a visa to travel to France through Schengen, that does not grant them access to the UK, which is why problems arise.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

But where did BitOnTheSlide say that Kizzy? He was merely and rightfully pointing out the problem to the UK that the Schengen Agreement causes.

I personally feel that we have a duty of common sense to 'monitor the rest of the world'.

Yes I know you do.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Just to clarify the process and the context. Someone outside of europe can apply for a Schengen visa, at any country that is within that system. Once that visa is granted, the person can then choose to travel to any other country in europe within the Schengen system. The current list of countries in the Schengen agreement is:

- Austria
- Belgium
- Czech Republic
- Denmark
- Estonia
- Finland
- France
- Germany
- Greece
- Hungary
- Iceland (not a European Union Member State)
- Italy
- Latvia
- Liechtenstein (not a European Union Member State)
- Lithuania
- Luxembourg
- Malta
- Netherlands
- Norway (not a European Union Member State)
- Poland
- Portugal
- Slovakia
- Slovenia
- Spain
- Sweden
- Swiss (not a European Union Member State)


Typically, people trying to get a visa apply to the one with the minimum restrictions, that was Finland I think, not sure if that is still the case. The UK is not part of the Schengen system, so while someone may have a visa to travel to France through Schengen, that does not grant them access to the UK, which is why problems arise.

If that were the case since the mid 80s there would be more non EU nationals in the UK currently than there are.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

But Britain and Northern Ireland never joined the Schengen agreement. We were one of the countries that opted out.

The countries who did join can opt out at any time, they don't need to leave the EU to do that. Germany and Austria have done just that since a record number of migrants have travelled there. France has re-imposed its border controls from time to time and so have the Dutch.

For the Brits, the one thing that benefits us from the Schengen agreement is rapid response when chasing criminals across borders.

You know exactly what I mean....

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

You know exactly what I mean....

No, I don't know what you mean.

bitontheside: The problem from a UK perspective is people using their Schengen travel capability to wander through europe, arrive in France and then sneak in to the UK. The UK can't control that easily.

We can't rule the rest of Europe. We can't make decisions on the countries that are part of the Schengen agreement.

Pulling out of the EU would make no difference when it comes to people attempting to get into the UK through the back door. Our border controls are pretty tight here and because we are an island surrounded on all sides by the ocean, breaching those borders is far more perilous than the rest of Europe. Unlike us, European borders have to rely on honesty (people entering through correct border controls) but a person who wishes to breach those borders illegally would only have to walk a little off the beaten track to get into another country.

Our house in France is right on the Italian border. I've walked into Italy many times without having to go through border controls.

Unless the rest of Europe built something equivalent to the great wall of China or Hadrians wall and man those walls day and night with guards, people will always wander across borders without a problem.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No, I don't know what you mean.

bitontheside: The problem from a UK perspective is people using their Schengen travel capability to wander through europe, arrive in France and then sneak in to the UK. The UK can't control that easily.

We can't rule the rest of Europe. We can't make decisions on the countries that are part of the Schengen agreement.

Pulling out of the EU would make no difference when it comes to people attempting to get into the UK through the back door. Our border controls are pretty tight here and because we are an island surrounded on all sides by the ocean, breaching those borders is far more perilous than the rest of Europe. Unlike us, European borders have to rely on honesty (people entering through correct border controls) but a person who wishes to breach those borders illegally would only have to walk a little off the beaten track to get into another country.

Our house in France is right on the Italian border. I've walked into Italy many times without having to go through border controls.

Unless the rest of Europe built something equivalent to the great wall of China or Hadrians wall and man those walls day and night with guards, people will always wander across borders without a problem.

It's the front door that worries me tbh.....

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It's the front door that worries me tbh.....

But without the correct paperwork they can't enter the UK through the front door. A Schengen visa doesn't give them the right to enter the UK unless they are from the EU.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It's the front door that worries me tbh.....

Islands don't have front doors.

[empire]

N. Ireland is a very small country, and dose not have the infrastructure, and is badly split society, and having a load of muslims taking up housing, will end up causing the country to go back to the bad old days of the troubles, east europe has still not recoverd from the break up of the soviet union, with poor infrastructure, and they will only want christian syrians only, euorpe can't really solve the refugee problem, because you can't deport them when the war is over.

[arista]

Yes Germany
look at the mess you have made
making millions more rush over for your
free chocolate and homes

[Kizzy]

Who is being mocked here, the 1000s trying to survive or the one European leader?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Who is being mocked here, the 1000s trying to survive or the one European leader?

Sure
But it was her fault.
She Started the Great Welcome
until it got to much.


Our PM is Giving Millions
more in Aid
to help the Camps
he has said today

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Sure
But it was her fault.
She Started the Great Welcome
until it got to much.


Our PM is Giving Millions
more in Aid
to help the Camps
he has said today

Really? just her.. and what was the alternative again?

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Really? just her.. and what was the alternative again?

Going to the Legal Camps outside the War Nations
not paying Evil Criminals Smugglers who do
not care if you die.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by arista

Going to the Legal Camps outside the War Nations
not paying Evil Criminals Smugglers who do
not care if you die.

I meant what was the EU leaders alternative regarding refugees.