[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

'The image of a Syrian child face down in the sand after his tiny body was washed ashore has sparked international outcry over the failure to find a solution to the migrant crisis.
This is what we know so far about the young boy, who was found washed up on Bodrum beach in Turkey.
The toddler has been named by Turkish media as three-year-old Aylan Kurdi.
Aylan is reportedly from the town of Kobani in Syria, which has seen heavy fighting between IS militants and Kurdish forces.
According to Canadian media, the family were trying to reach Canada, where an aunt has lived for 20 years
The National Post reports that the family had previously tried and failed to obtain a privately-sponsored refugee visa in June.
The hashtag "KiyiyaVuranInsanlik" - "humanity washed ashore" became the top trending topic on Twitter after an image of Aylan, who was found washed up on a beach near Bodrum, Turkey, was shared online.
The picture has sparked international outcry over the failure to find a solution to the migrant crisis.
Aylan is believed to have died alongside his five-year-old brother Galip, who had been travelling in the same boat.
The boys are believed to be two of 11 Syrian refugees who died after trying to cross the Mediterranean on two boats bound for the Greek island of Kos.
The two boats, carrying a total of 23 people, had set off separately from the Akyarlar area of the Bodrum peninsula.'

http://www.itv.com/news/2015-09-02/w...ach-in-turkey/

Typical media story designed to pull at the heart strings of gullible readers . There are far more important things at stake here than the unfortunate drowning of a child.

The Schengen Agreement is an affront to our sovereignty and should be abolished without delay. The EU experiment has been a disaster for the the UK and we need to leave it immediately.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

Typical media story designed to pull at the heart strings of gullible readers . There are far more important things at stake here than the unfortunate drowning of a child.

The Schengen Agreement is an affront to our sovereignty and should be abolished without delay. The EU experiment has been a disaster for the the UK and we need to leave it immediately.

A very brave but very true post Nedusa. Very True.

[DemolitionRed]

But Britain and Northern Ireland never joined the Schengen agreement. We were one of the countries that opted out.

The countries who did join can opt out at any time, they don't need to leave the EU to do that. Germany and Austria have done just that since a record number of migrants have travelled there. France has re-imposed its border controls from time to time and so have the Dutch.

For the Brits, the one thing that benefits us from the Schengen agreement is rapid response when chasing criminals across borders.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

But Britain and Northern Ireland never joined the Schengen agreement. We were one of the countries that opted out.

The countries who did join can opt out at any time, they don't need to leave the EU to do that. Germany and Austria have done just that since a record number of migrants have travelled there. France has re-imposed its border controls from time to time and so have the Dutch.

For the Brits, the one thing that benefits us from the Schengen agreement is rapid response when chasing criminals across borders.

You know exactly what I mean....

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

You know exactly what I mean....

No, I don't know what you mean.

bitontheside: The problem from a UK perspective is people using their Schengen travel capability to wander through europe, arrive in France and then sneak in to the UK. The UK can't control that easily.

We can't rule the rest of Europe. We can't make decisions on the countries that are part of the Schengen agreement.

Pulling out of the EU would make no difference when it comes to people attempting to get into the UK through the back door. Our border controls are pretty tight here and because we are an island surrounded on all sides by the ocean, breaching those borders is far more perilous than the rest of Europe. Unlike us, European borders have to rely on honesty (people entering through correct border controls) but a person who wishes to breach those borders illegally would only have to walk a little off the beaten track to get into another country.

Our house in France is right on the Italian border. I've walked into Italy many times without having to go through border controls.

Unless the rest of Europe built something equivalent to the great wall of China or Hadrians wall and man those walls day and night with guards, people will always wander across borders without a problem.

[Nedusa]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No, I don't know what you mean.

bitontheside: The problem from a UK perspective is people using their Schengen travel capability to wander through europe, arrive in France and then sneak in to the UK. The UK can't control that easily.

We can't rule the rest of Europe. We can't make decisions on the countries that are part of the Schengen agreement.

Pulling out of the EU would make no difference when it comes to people attempting to get into the UK through the back door. Our border controls are pretty tight here and because we are an island surrounded on all sides by the ocean, breaching those borders is far more perilous than the rest of Europe. Unlike us, European borders have to rely on honesty (people entering through correct border controls) but a person who wishes to breach those borders illegally would only have to walk a little off the beaten track to get into another country.

Our house in France is right on the Italian border. I've walked into Italy many times without having to go through border controls.

Unless the rest of Europe built something equivalent to the great wall of China or Hadrians wall and man those walls day and night with guards, people will always wander across borders without a problem.

It's the front door that worries me tbh.....

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It's the front door that worries me tbh.....

But without the correct paperwork they can't enter the UK through the front door. A Schengen visa doesn't give them the right to enter the UK unless they are from the EU.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It's the front door that worries me tbh.....

Islands don't have front doors.