[DemolitionRed]

But let genuine reportage surface which speaks the CORROBORATED truth about one of their political dah-lings and they are up in arms decreeing it all "Fake", "Character Assassination", and "Lies", or worse - they lambaste the sources of the reports as; "Right Wing Propagandists".

Do you mean the corroborated truth from the Daily Mail?

These stories are edited to reflect an agenda and depending on which paper you read and depending on whether you have a capitalist or socialist view on politics, then these stories will reflect or oppose your opinions. Ultimately this isn't about simple capitalism or socialism, its about whether or not you and your loved ones feel looked after. What I mean by 'looked after' is of course subjective.

Some people with a keen political interest, won't take anything a right wing or a left wing story tells us without going off and digging a little deeper. There are quite a few examples over the past few weeks where popular tabloids have taken only part of a whole story and turned it into something it isn't....Corbyn's support of Islamic extremists and the IRA is a case in point.

As a right wing thinker, you likely want to believe these stories because they give you the ammunition you need to demonise this man. I, on the other hand worry that such stories may or may not be true so I go about searching for the full story and the truth behind the headlines. Only the bigger picture shows truth and not some sensational headline from the right wing/left wing propaganda machine.

Any political opinion, whether right wing or left wing, should never be held with dogmatism and rigidity. Growth of knowledge is what's important here because if we can't have an intelligent political debate, all we can do is hit stalemate.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

But let genuine reportage surface which speaks the CORROBORATED truth about one of their political dah-lings and they are up in arms decreeing it all "Fake", "Character Assassination", and "Lies", or worse - they lambaste the sources of the reports as; "Right Wing Propagandists".

Do you mean the corroborated truth from the Daily Mail?

These stories are edited to reflect an agenda and depending on which paper you read and depending on whether you have a capitalist or socialist view on politics, then these stories will reflect or oppose your opinions. Ultimately this isn't about simple capitalism or socialism, its about whether or not you and your loved ones feel looked after. What I mean by 'looked after' is of course subjective.

Some people with a keen political interest, won't take anything a right wing or a left wing story tells us without going off and digging a little deeper. There are quite a few examples over the past few weeks where popular tabloids have taken only part of a whole story and turned it into something it isn't....Corbyn's support of Islamic extremists and the IRA is a case in point.

As a right wing thinker, you likely want to believe these stories because they give you the ammunition you need to demonise this man. I, on the other hand worry that such stories may or may not be true so I go about searching for the full story and the truth behind the headlines. Only the bigger picture shows truth and not some sensational headline from the right wing/left wing propaganda machine.

Any political opinion, whether right wing or left wing, should never be held with dogmatism and rigidity. Growth of knowledge is what's important here because if we can't have an intelligent political debate, all we can do is hit stalemate.

You are very wise.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

You are very wise.

Paul, correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are complimenting Demolition Red for her post in error. I believe that you read the emboldened section believing it to be her view, when in reality, it was part of my post which she was quoting and which was in fact, the polar opposite of her views.

Here is my post in its entirety:

"There are people out there who are oh so willing to believe the most ludicrous, uncorroborated rubbish about ANYONE just as long as it suits their own political stance:

"Nigel Farage Ate My Albanian Immigrant Hamster"

But let genuine reportage surface which speaks the CORROBORATED truth about one of their political dah-lings and they are up in arms decreeing it all "Fake", "Character Assassination", and "Lies", or worse - they lambaste the sources of the reports as; "Right Wing Propagandists".

It does not matter what colour Paul Revere's horse was when he announced that "The British Are Coming" - 'The British' were, indeed, 'Coming', and it does not matter what political bias (if any) the media has which reports these unsavoury facts about Corbyn - He SAID them. Provable, checkable - He SAID them.

I do not give a hoot what Corbyn and/or his PR Machine say now about;

"That was a long time ago and Jeremy's changed", "Oh, Jeremy was deliberately misquoted" etc. etc. The man is a treacherous fifth columnist who wishes to gain the most powerful political position in the UK so that he can render this country totally defenseless against threats from without, and totally defenseless to insurrection from within due to the unprecedented numbers of ANT-BRITISH immigrants he will have let flood into the UK with his nefarious policies.

"Jeremy's changed"

That's like the 'Zeus' virus - reputedly the most lethal 'Trojan Horse' virus known - suddenly saying (if it could talk) "I'm no longer a threat to your PC, I've changed. Let me in. Put me in charge of your PC's security".

Oh yeah. Jeremy. Sure."

If I am wrong, and you are indeed applauding Red's post, then I apologise.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Paul, correct me if I am wrong, but I think you are complimenting Demolition Red for her post in error. I believe that you read the emboldened section believing it to be her view, when in reality, it was part of my post which she was quoting and which was in fact, the polar opposite of her views.

Here is my post in its entirety:

"There are people out there who are oh so willing to believe the most ludicrous, uncorroborated rubbish about ANYONE just as long as it suits their own political stance:

"Nigel Farage Ate My Albanian Immigrant Hamster"

But let genuine reportage surface which speaks the CORROBORATED truth about one of their political dah-lings and they are up in arms decreeing it all "Fake", "Character Assassination", and "Lies", or worse - they lambaste the sources of the reports as; "Right Wing Propagandists".

It does not matter what colour Paul Revere's horse was when he announced that "The British Are Coming" - 'The British' were, indeed, 'Coming', and it does not matter what political bias (if any) the media has which reports these unsavoury facts about Corbyn - He SAID them. Provable, checkable - He SAID them.

I do not give a hoot what Corbyn and/or his PR Machine say now about;

"That was a long time ago and Jeremy's changed", "Oh, Jeremy was deliberately misquoted" etc. etc. The man is a treacherous fifth columnist who wishes to gain the most powerful political position in the UK so that he can render this country totally defenseless against threats from without, and totally defenseless to insurrection from within due to the unprecedented numbers of ANT-BRITISH immigrants he will have let flood into the UK with his nefarious policies.

"Jeremy's changed"

That's like the 'Zeus' virus - reputedly the most lethal 'Trojan Horse' virus known - suddenly saying (if it could talk) "I'm no longer a threat to your PC, I've changed. Let me in. Put me in charge of your PC's security".

Oh yeah. Jeremy. Sure."

If I am wrong, and you are indeed applauding Red's post, then I apologise.

IIRC i was complementing the very last paragraph of Reds post.IIRC,It was late.I use my phone on here though and don't know how to embolden.But you're right i did'nt know that was a quote from your post.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Do you mean the corroborated truth from the Daily Mail?

These stories are edited to reflect an agenda and depending on which paper you read and depending on whether you have a capitalist or socialist view on politics, then these stories will reflect or oppose your opinions. Ultimately this isn't about simple capitalism or socialism, its about whether or not you and your loved ones feel looked after. What I mean by 'looked after' is of course subjective.

Some people with a keen political interest, won't take anything a right wing or a left wing story tells us without going off and digging a little deeper. There are quite a few examples over the past few weeks where popular tabloids have taken only part of a whole story and turned it into something it isn't....Corbyn's support of Islamic extremists and the IRA is a case in point.

As a right wing thinker, you likely want to believe these stories because they give you the ammunition you need to demonise this man. I, on the other hand worry that such stories may or may not be true so I go about searching for the full story and the truth behind the headlines. Only the bigger picture shows truth and not some sensational headline from the right wing/left wing propaganda machine.

Any political opinion, whether right wing or left wing, should never be held with dogmatism and rigidity. Growth of knowledge is what's important here because if we can't have an intelligent political debate, all we can do is hit stalemate.

............................... End Of Quote.............................................

Wow - 'The Ego Has Landed'. I'm sorry, but EGO permeates every sentence of your post.

"As a right wing thinker, you likely want to believe these stories because they give you the ammunition you need to demonise this man. I, on the other hand worry that such stories may or may not be true so I go about searching for the full story and the truth behind the headlines.]Only the bigger picture shows truth and not some sensational headline from the right wing/left wing propaganda machine."

Just where, in the many posts which I have contributed to this forum, do you educe that I am so poorly read or narrowly informed, that I formulate my opinions from just one source?

I have repeatedly stressed that I do not make up my mind based upon the first thing I read or see, and that I cross-reference and research further before forming an opinion - and this includes directly informing you of these facts on other threads.

I certainly do not need lessons from you on this subject - especially in such a patronising post which seems as if it has been written by a pompous Primary School teacher for the benefit of her class of 7 year olds.

"Ultimately this isn't about simple capitalism or socialism, its about whether or not you and your loved ones feel looked after. What I mean by 'looked after' is of course subjective."

Subjective, it certainly is. 'Looked after'? Now let me see:

Would I feel my children and grandchildrens future would be assured and that they would be 'looked after' under Corbyn's ideal United Kingdom?

No Nuclear Deterrent at a time when more than ever we need one - because of the threat from insane Islamic Terrorists who will stop at nothing to destroy our Christian Western Demoracy and rebuild another Mecca Phoenix-like from the ashes?

No Military Services at all, or a decimated token 'Banana Republic' army at best, where 'Boots On Ground' means very few boots, and severely worn, ill-fitting ones at best?

Oh I could go on-and-on, but no need, because MY answer is - No. I would NOT feel that I or my loved ones would be 'Looked after'. NEXT:

"Some people with a keen political interest, won't take anything a right wing or a left wing story tells us without going off and digging a little deeper. There are quite a few examples over the past few weeks where popular tabloids have taken only part of a whole story and turned it into something it isn't....Corbyn's support of Islamic extremists and the IRA is a case in point."

Here, I will simply challenge you to abandon your rhetoric and debate me on whether Corbyn is an anti-UK terrorist sympathiser or not, and whether he has, indeed, said the things he is quoted in MANY media reports of having said.

Incidentally, your: "Some people with a keen political interest, won't take anything a right wing or a left wing story tells us without going off and digging a little deeper." is offensive and arrogant. You are not the only one who has "a keen political interest", though your sentence is 'self-elevating' in this respect.

"Any political opinion, whether right wing or left wing, should never be held with dogmatism and rigidity. Growth of knowledge is what's important here because if we can't have an intelligent political debate, all we can do is hit stalemate."

I could not agree more, but "intelligent political debate" does not mean ignoring FACTS - CORROBORATED HARD TRUTHS - once presented by the other side, and continuing on with views which such hard facts have demolished as wrong.

So let us debate.