[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Shaun

No because it's a poncey way of saying bisexual.

No it isn't.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Will1999

The only reason I did this thread as being Bisexual I never knew it was against 'the label' to be attracted to trans etc. people.

So I would consider myself Pansexual now.

That word is not on Wiki
whats its Origin?

[Jay.]

nawt an sjw

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

No it isn't.

I Sorry But Shaun
has more Experience in this
than you nippers



Feel The Force

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jay.

nawt an sjw

What Fecking Lingo is that



TIBB in the Sewers

[arista]

Youtube video

The Words to this 1978 Funk Song
Fit this thread

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jay.

nawt an sjw

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

There's a difference between 'labels' (self-descriptors) and insults disguised as labels.

I don't understand the 'dont label things omg!' mentality because if someone wants to define their sexuality in a way that makes it easier to understand for other people, then what's the issue really?

I don't have an issue tbh. I don't care.

I was talking more about the people who seem to "campaign" on social media about getting rid of labels and the need to categorise everyone into groups but then they are the ones making the gender list on Facebook longer than War and Peace.

[Firewire]

Pansexuality undermines bisexuality. It makes bisexual people look ignorant for not being interested in "non-genders" when the term itself says bisexual. Regardless of your gender identity you are born either male or female and that's what bisexuality represents. It has nothing to do with gender.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't have an issue tbh. I don't care.

I was talking more about the people who seem to "campaign" on social media about getting rid of labels and the need to categorise everyone into groups but then they are the ones making the gender list on Facebook longer than War and Peace.

To be fair, I think they're two different groups of people. And both of them have very valid ideas

In an ideal world we'd be rid of all kinds of categorisation, you could just like who you want to like and it wouldn't need a label, and gender wouldn't need to be a thing, you could just act how you want to act and people wouldn't have to be segregated because of it, but sadly the human obsession with labelling things to make sense of them means that isn't going to happen anytime soon, so in the meantime the best course of action is to make labels as inclusive and open as possible

[Firewire]

People with label makers will be fuming

[Denver]

As someone who identify as pansexual i find this thread disgraceful and clear attention seeking thing.

You cant decide to just become a sexuality.

[Firewire]

You can decide to label yourself pansexual

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by Firewire

Pansexuality undermines bisexuality. It makes bisexual people look ignorant for not being interested in "non-genders" when the term itself says bisexual. Regardless of your gender identity you are born either male or female and that's what bisexuality represents. It has nothing to do with gender.

This is a fair point but the 'sexual' part of the term refers to the sexual attraction part of your sexuality, not 'sex' as in biological sex

Regardless, pansexuality is still a thing. Bisexuals are attracted to men and women - or males and females if you prefer, that's probably a better way of putting it. And pansexuals are gender blind, seek relationships on personality alone and are not just attracted to people who fall on the gender binary. I wouldn't say it infers bisexuals are ignorant at all, you can't help who you're attracted to and if males and females are your thing that's fine. If you're attracted to people outside of the gender binary, you are not bisexual.

Bi means two, and there are more than two genders.

[Liam-]

Labels are stupid, like who you like and sleep with who you want to sleep with, it doesn't need explaining to anyone

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Jack_

To be fair, I think they're two different groups of people. And both of them have very valid ideas

In an ideal world we'd be rid of all kinds of categorisation, you could just like who you want to like and it wouldn't need a label, and gender wouldn't need to be a thing, you could just act how you want to act and people wouldn't have to be segregated because of it, but sadly the human obsession with labelling things to make sense of them means that isn't going to happen anytime soon, so in the meantime the best course of action is to make labels as inclusive and open as possible

Well that makes somewhat more sense.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This is a fair point but the 'sexual' part of the term refers to the sexual attraction part of your sexuality, not 'sex' as in biological sex

Regardless, pansexuality is still a thing. Bisexuals are attracted to men and women - or males and females if you prefer, that's probably a better way of putting it. And pansexuals are gender blind, seek relationships on personality alone and are not just attracted to people who fall on the gender binary. I wouldn't say it infers bisexuals are ignorant at all, you can't help who you're attracted to and if males and females are your thing that's fine. If you're attracted to people outside of the gender binary, you are not bisexual.

Bi means two, and there are more than two genders.

No Jack
it Ain't
Not on Wiki

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

I don't have an issue tbh. I don't care.

I was talking more about the people who seem to "campaign" on social media about getting rid of labels and the need to categorise everyone into groups but then they are the ones making the gender list on Facebook longer than War and Peace.

I don't think they're the same people, but if they are then I agree it seems like a huge contradiction

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by arista

No Jack
it Ain't
Not on Wiki

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality

You were saying?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Liam-

Labels are stupid, like who you like and sleep with who you want to sleep with, it doesn't need explaining to anyone

It saves awkward scenarios of girls thinking you fancy them, or them fancying you.. (obviously this would apply to someone who doesn't like girls (eg me)).

[arista]

Originally Posted by Jack_

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pansexuality

You were saying?

I did not spell it that way
you Smart Ass

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Will1999

The only reason I did this thread as being Bisexual I never knew it was against 'the label' to be attracted to trans etc. people.

So I would consider myself Pansexual now.

I've never considered that being attracted to trans is a pan-sexual thing. If you are attracted to a woman that was once a man or a man that was once a woman, you are attracted to a specific sex.

I used to date a cross dresser (not the same as a transvestite) who loved the feel of feminine clothes. That didn't make me pan-sexual, it just made me open to someone who had a fetish.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

It saves awkward scenarios of girls thinking you fancy them, or them fancying you.. (obviously this would apply to someone who doesn't like girls (eg me)).

I agree with Josh, labels are merely a clue that gives a direction.

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Jack_

This is a fair point but the 'sexual' part of the term refers to the sexual attraction part of your sexuality, not 'sex' as in biological sex

Regardless, pansexuality is still a thing. Bisexuals are attracted to men and women - or males and females if you prefer, that's probably a better way of putting it. And pansexuals are gender blind, seek relationships on personality alone and are not just attracted to people who fall on the gender binary. I wouldn't say it infers bisexuals are ignorant at all, you can't help who you're attracted to and if males and females are your thing that's fine. If you're attracted to people outside of the gender binary, you are not bisexual.

Bi means two, and there are more than two genders.

My problem with that description is that I don't think bisexuals would say that all of that doesn't apply to them. I doubt that the vast majority of bisexuals would think 'I only like those who fall into the gender binary'.

I'd also say that it's nonsense to think you're not bisexual if you're attracted to trans people, they are not a separate gender.

[Jack_]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I've never considered that being attracted to trans is a pan-sexual thing. If you are attracted to a woman that was once a man or a man that was once a woman, you are attracted to a specific sex.

I used to date a cross dresser (not the same as a transvestite) who loved the feel of feminine clothes. That didn't make me pan-sexual, it just made me open to someone who had a fetish.

Trans people whom identify as either a man or a woman remain on the binary and so yes, you're right, bisexuals can be attracted to them. Bisexuality is the attraction to either men or women, so anyone who identifies as such fits the requirements.

Cross dressing is a separate issue but yes, it doesn't change anything.

Originally Posted by MTVN

My problem with that description is that I don't think bisexuals would say that all of that doesn't apply to them. I doubt that the vast majority of bisexuals would think 'I only like those who fall into the gender binary'.

I'd also say that it's nonsense to think you're not bisexual if you're attracted to trans people, they are not a separate gender.

Well of course they wouldn't, because the vast majority of people accept and subscribe to the gender binary that's become established in many societies around the world and have absolutely no idea of the differences between sex and gender, and that there are more than just 'men' and 'women'. That's not a slight on them personally, it's a societal issue but still. If you asked most bisexuals to define their sexuality I'd bet they'd say something along the lines of 'I like men and women', 'I'm attracted to both genders', etc etc. That's because they are, bi means two and so they are attracted to men and women.

And as I've just explained to DemolitionRed, trans people who are choosing to identify as, or have transitioned to become either a man or a woman are still on the gender binary and therefore bisexuals can be attracted to them. I never once said if you're bi you can't be attracted to trans people because that is nonsense, so long as those trans people's gender is binary.

What pansexuality refers to is the possible attraction to those whose gender is outside of the binary, and there are many trans people whom choose to live their life outside of it. It encompasses all gender identities, not just men and women, and as such is gender blind and based on strict personality led attraction.