[Ashley.]

Yeah. But even socialism has its weaknesses.

Equilibrium is what we need in Politics, more than anything. This right wing/left wing bullcrap is getting annoying.

[Kizzy]

Has anyone tried to envisage how things would be i we had just given a fair wage to miners? Would we not have higher employment and vastly lower energy bills?
The miners didn't hold the country to ransom, the big six are now though... they have everyone by the short and curlies.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Has anyone tried to envisage how things would be i we had just given a fair wage to miners? Would we not have higher employment and vastly lower energy bills?
The miners didn't hold the country to ransom, the big six are now though... they have everyone by the short and curlies.

Yes Kizzy Corbyn
could do it
Except
New Labour are going to remove him
as he refuses to Push the Red Nuke Button



So its so sad
that His Stubbornness kills it all

[Kizzy]

His stubbornness?

They've taken away his 'right honorable' as he's too close to the hoi palloi for his job, that's the crux people like him are never intended for the top... They won't rest till he's slapped back down, no matter how much sense he speaks.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

His stubbornness?

They've taken away his 'right honorable' as he's too close to the hoi palloi for his job, that's the crux people like him are never intended for the top... They won't rest till he's slapped back down, no matter how much sense he speaks.

Even I thought that was a petty move to remove the title. There is nothing honourable or right honourable about being an mp or a (shadow) cabinet minister. They are paid to do a job as servants of the people. Time for them to jump off their high horses.

[arista]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

His stubbornness?

They've taken away his 'right honorable' as he's too close to the hoi palloi for his job, that's the crux people like him are never intended for the top... They won't rest till he's slapped back down, no matter how much sense he speaks.

Who cares about that
he does not.
But All his Labour MP's and Lords
want nukes

He is the only one saying no


Thats Stubborn and will halt his chance Forever to be our PM

its that simple

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Ashley.

Yeah. But even socialism has its weaknesses.

Equilibrium is what we need in Politics, more than anything. This right wing/left wing bullcrap is getting annoying.

Middle-ground has been in place since 1997.. hasn't exactly worked. No politician will say anything different because they want to appear centrist and what tends to happen is we get the worst of each side.

[arista]

Josh its Doomed
sadly due to Stubborn Corbyn
as it matters if you refuse to push the Nuke button.

Already a group in Labour are
setting up his Downfall

[arista]

Josh its Doomed
sadly due to Stubborn Corbyn
as it matters if you refuse to push the Nuke button.

Already a group in Labour are
setting up his Downfall

[JoshBB]

He's not stubborn, he's principled. And I agree with him - I wouldn't press the nuclear button either. It would kill hundreds of thousands, if not millions of innocent civilians.. and that would all be on your hands.

[arista]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

He's not stubborn, he's principled. And I agree with him - I wouldn't press the nuclear button either. It would kill hundreds of thousands, if not millions of innocent civilians.. and that would all be on your hands.

But
His Party Demand NUKE weapons

He will not change


NEVER to get in Power

Sadly

[arista]

Josh you may well agree to be Anti Nuke
but its his Labour Party MP's and Lords
that matter

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

He's not stubborn, he's principled. And I agree with him - I wouldn't press the nuclear button either. It would kill hundreds of thousands, if not millions of innocent civilians.. and that would all be on your hands.

He'd never be asked to push the button for no reason. Suppose that another nuclear power was aiming at us, and despite our early warning and counter nuclear strategy, the only answer would be to nuke them or they nuke us. How about then? Would you be willing to allow this country to become a wasteland so that, for instance, North Korea could survive?

I'm not in favour of nukes and think we should disarm, directly after everyone else has.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Třm

No ty

Again, this is Serious News and Debates..

How many times do you need to be told that replying with single emotes or 2 word answers does not constitute a political argument??

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

He'd never be asked to push the button for no reason. Suppose that another nuclear power was aiming at us, and despite our early warning and counter nuclear strategy, the only answer would be to nuke them or they nuke us. How about then? Would you be willing to allow this country to become a wasteland so that, for instance, North Korea could survive?

I'm not in favour of nukes and think we should disarm, directly after everyone else has.

How would that save us though?

If a nuclear missile has been fired towards us then firing one back will do nothing but cause more destruction. Firing a missile into another country would not prevent the one coming towards us.

Also, I don't think it's fair on the citizens who have nothing to do with the decision to push the button.. they are not all Kim Jong Un.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by arista

Josh you may well agree to be Anti Nuke
but its his Labour Party MP's and Lords
that matter

I don't think the blairites really care.. most of them only care about being in power.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

How would that save us though?

If a nuclear missile has been fired towards us then firing one back will do nothing but cause more destruction. Firing a missile into another country would not prevent the one coming towards us.

Also, I don't think it's fair on the citizens who have nothing to do with the decision to push the button.. they are not all Kim Jong Un.

I don't how, Josh... it's a hypothetical question. We may intercept the first missiles, there may be too many to continue to intercept and the only way to stop it would be to attack. I don't want anyone nuked... but why have a deterrent if the PM isn't prepared to use it in the defence of this country?

The bottom line for me is this: if Corbyn isn't prepared to carry out his duty to the full, then he has no place running for PM.

[the truth]

its nothing to do with socialism its common sense......the current politicians are enslaved to massive corporations....they must tax them an enormous amount more than they are now. they must regulate the bigger companies more too...meanwhile they must help small businesses as its them that grow long term jobs that stay in the area

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

I don't how, Josh... it's a hypothetical question. We may intercept the first missiles, there may be too many to continue to intercept and the only way to stop it would be to attack. I don't want anyone nuked... but why have a deterrent if the PM isn't prepared to use it in the defence of this country?

The bottom line for me is this: if Corbyn isn't prepared to carry out his duty to the full, then he has no place running for PM.

I don't think unleashing a weapon of mass destruction is the duty of any decent prime minister. Honestly in the situation you described just then, airstrikes against the military bases would be a better solution probably. I know its all hypothetical so it's obviously difficult to imagine though

Originally Posted by the truth

its nothing to do with socialism its common sense......the current politicians are enslaved to massive corporations....they must tax them an enormous amount more than they are now. they must regulate the bigger companies more too...meanwhile they must help small businesses as its them that grow long term jobs that stay in the area

aka socialism

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I don't think unleashing a weapon of mass destruction is the duty of any decent prime minister. Honestly in the situation you described just then, airstrikes against the military bases would be a better solution probably. I know its all hypothetical so it's obviously difficult to imagine though

We would be retaliating with equal force, is what we would be doing.

Okay, I'll stop now... it's obvious you know as much about nuclear war as I do LOL... not much.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

I don't think unleashing a weapon of mass destruction is the duty of any decent prime minister. Honestly in the situation you described just then, airstrikes against the military bases would be a better solution probably. I know its all hypothetical so it's obviously difficult to imagine though



aka socialism

that's not the socialism theyre practising here in wales. too many petty rules hurting small businesses, not to forget free parking for the retail giants and huge parking fees for small busiensses in town centres

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

We would be retaliating with equal force, is what we would be doing.

Okay, I'll stop now... it's obvious you know as much about nuclear war as I do LOL... not much.

pretty much

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by the truth

that's not the socialism theyre practising here in wales. too many petty rules hurting small businesses, not to forget free parking for the retail giants and huge parking fees for small busiensses in town centres

Blairism favours corporations wayyy too much imo

[empire]

the workers union got into bed with the soviets, and wanted to grab power and not give it back to the people, britain in the 70s was close for communist takeover, wilson was the last great leader that labour ever had, he had no choice but too devalue the pound, because the conflict in the middle east, and he refused to support nixon's war in vietnam, drove down the stock markets, labour's weakness was that they caved in, to the workers demands, in wages, inturn there would be job losses, shut downs, inflation was in a very high level, by 79, there is an old saying that if everyone is a millionaire, then a price of loaf, would be at two million, callaghan was a weak leader, because he would not get tough with the unions, he said that you can't get more out of a bank, than what there is in it, his own weakness got thatcher into government, because they tried to play fair, at the sametime when the country was heading for collapse, the problem with socialism, is that its the lack of thinking, interms of how to invest to make jobs, and wealth for the country, it seems stuck in the ground, and can't move on, many countries have tried the socialist thinking, and it only made things much worse than before,

[MTVN]

It's silly to think that you could just resuscitate Labour's socialism of decades past and now apply it to today's world. Things have changed immeasurably and if socialism is to have any credibility it needs to adapt to that and show why it can still be relevant. This article from the New Statesman puts it well:

If Ed Miliband addressed his campaign to a non-existent country, Corbyn addresses a non-existent world. At the present time, Cuba is opening the door to the US and a capitalist Vietnam has been discussing military co-operation with the US defence secretary; Iran seems to be seeking some kind of rapprochement with the Great Satan; Russia is ruled by a type of authoritarian crony capitalism, propped up by nationalism and the Orthodox Church, which despite sanctions and a weakening economy appears to enjoy wider popular support than the Soviet system did at any point in its peacetime history; China’s rulers are struggling to keep their experiment in capitalism on track, watched uneasily by western governments whose own versions of capitalism depend heavily on China’s success; while Venezuela is sinking into poverty and chaos under the impact of low oil prices and endemic corruption.

In these conditions, the notion that Britain can strike out alone on a path to socialism is a triumph of whimsy. What would socialism mean? Even if the current phase of globalisation goes into reverse, the technological advance that drives economic change will not slow down. How would eBay, Amazon and Airbnb fit into a Corbynist Britain?

http://www.newstatesman.com/politics...cs-catastrophe