[Livia]

The definition of rape in English law requires a penis to be inserted into a woman’s vagina, anus or mouth without her consent and in the knowledge that she doesn't consent. A woman can be charged with rape, but only if she is an accomplice in the rape of a woman by a male where penetration takes place.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

The logistics of someone being sexually assaulted? I'm not sure what you want, a diagram?

Do you? I'm suggesting there's a difference between someone forcing themselves on you, and being forced on to or in to someone...

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

The definition of rape in English law requires a penis to be inserted into a woman’s vagina, anus or mouth without her consent and in the knowledge that she doesn't consent. A woman can be charged with rape, but only if she is an accomplice in the rape of a woman by a male where penetration takes place.

So a woman can force a man to have sex with her, whether through blackmail, force, intimidation or through drugging, but won't get sent down for it or even punished, all because they didn't stick anything into the man? well that's kind of ****ed up.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Liam-

So a woman can force a man to have sex with her, whether through blackmail, force, intimidation or through drugging, but won't get sent down for it or even punished, all because they didn't stick anything into the man? well that's kind of ****ed up.

She can be charged with sexual assault, blackmail, actual bodily harm, false imprisonment, administration of drugs without consent... but not actual rape. Male rape by another man though, is chargeable but has only been law for about twenty years.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

She can be charged with sexual assault, blackmail, actual bodily harm, false imprisonment, administration of drugs without consent... but not actual rape. Male rape by another man though, is chargeable but has only been law for about twenty years.

Spot on.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Spot on.

Thank you, my learned Friend. And I'm sorry you took offence at my "nonsense" post in another thread. It wasn't meant to insult x

[Liam-]

Originally Posted by Livia

She can be charged with sexual assault, blackmail, actual bodily harm, false imprisonment, administration of drugs without consent... but not actual rape. Male rape by another man though, is chargeable but has only been law for about twenty years.

Yeah, definitely a bit messed up :/

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Do you? I'm suggesting there's a difference between someone forcing themselves on you, and being forced on to or in to someone...

Ok well your previous post suggested that you couldn't see a situation where a man could be forced by a woman, but this clarifies things. Yes there is a difference, but it can still happen, that a man can be sexually assaulted by a woman, and it should be taken more seriously than it generally is imo.

[the truth]

and if a child is produced from the raping of a male?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by the truth

and if a child is produced from the raping of a male?

Into unknown waters with this one...

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

Ok well your previous post suggested that you couldn't see a situation where a man could be forced by a woman, but this clarifies things. Yes there is a difference, but it can still happen, that a man can be sexually assaulted by a woman, and it should be taken more seriously than it generally is imo.

No it didn't, you misinterpreted what I said, that's what happened.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No it didn't, you misinterpreted what I said, that's what happened.

How did I misinterpret it lol??? You literally said "I just can't see it."

Does that not suggest that you can't see a situation where a man could be forced into sex by a woman???

[waterhog]

I was going to reply to this but I thought it might turn into a orgy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

How did I misinterpret it lol??? You literally said "I just can't see it."

Does that not suggest that you can't see a situation where a man could be forced into sex by a woman???

No and you really are literally taking my post too literally.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No and you really are literally taking my post too literally.

Good point.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

No and you really are literally taking my post too literally.

You're not taking serious debates seriously?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

You're not taking serious debates seriously?

Urgh.. more psychoanalysis

[Denver]

Rape is rape no matter who the victim or who the rapist is, if someone is forced to have sex against there will then its rape and this country needs to sport out there ****ed up laws so every victim gets a fair trial and every attacker get the same punishment.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Adam.

Rape is rape no matter who the victim or who the rapist is, if someone is forced to have sex against there will then its rape and this country needs to sport out there ****ed up laws so every victim gets a fair trial and every attacker get the same punishment.

Law evolves and changes, Adam. If there is a need it will come in to law. If you feel strongly, if anyone feels strongly, your MP is the person to approach. Actually, I'm quite proud of our legal system. It's not perfect, no legal system is, but I have great faith in it.

[empire]

there is a generation of women who are very forceful when being rejected by males, men can't flirt like the way they did before, the big concern there is that, for many females, think that a man has no right to say no to there sexual advances, when I was in my teens, I never chased girls, it was them who chased me, and I did not appreciate them and there friends grabbing me, and pulling my arms, and touching me everywhere, and my friends also had to put up with it, the departments for schools and colleges in the united states, refuse to release complaints from men who where raped or assaulted by women at campus, like there is something to hide, same thing here in the uk, if male are victims of rape they are silenced, by the male hate mob,

[JoshBB]

Oh yes, it's a definite area that needs improving. But ironically, I think it's men that perpetuate the whole idea of men being unrapeable.. the whole lad culture and "oh you should have enjoyed it!!" "get in lad!!!" bs going around that is really not helping.

I was actually shocked to find out recently that women are very fairly charged with rape, the charge is usually only assault.. when let's face it, we all know what rape is. Unvoluntary sex. Simple as that. Any gender can be raped by anyone.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Oh yes, it's a definite area that needs improving. But ironically, I think it's men that perpetuate the whole idea of men being unrapeable.. the whole lad culture and "oh you should have enjoyed it!!" "get in lad!!!" bs going around that is really not helping.

I was actually shocked to find out recently that women are very fairly charged with rape, the charge is usually only assault.. when let's face it, we all know what rape is. Unvoluntary sex. Simple as that. Any gender can be raped by anyone.

Josh, see my post at the top of this page for a definition of 'rape' in English law.

[Mystic Mock]

Of course it should be taken more seriously, but then I feel that rape gets overshadowed by other crimes like it's counterpart in Paedophilia, Terrorism, and illegal Immigrants.

Rape is a real problem in the UK, yet not nearly enough is done about it, so Men will be waiting even longer to get justice for when they've been raped.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Livia

Josh, see my post at the top of this page for a definition of 'rape' in English law.

I've read up, thank you for sharing. The law is wrong imo, I'm speaking from a moral point of view rather than one written down legally.

I would redefine rape as "penetration by penis or otherwise phallic shaped object into a person's mouth, vagina, or anus without consent".

[Northern Monkey]

I don't even see why this is a debate.All rape should be taken seriously.