[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Sadly though, people died for the freedom to protest in this country, which has given people like him the right to stand up and damn us all to hell. They choose to live here and then use our own freedom to attack us.

And if they are British born Muslims, whose freedoms are they.. theirs, yours, mine?
Who are 'us'? If you are here you have rights, for now.

That is not me suggesting for one second I agree with the chants in the vid, just to avoid any confusion.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And if they are British born Muslims, whose freedoms are they.. theirs, yours, mine?
Who are 'us'? If you are here you have rights, for now.

That is not me suggesting for one second I agree with the chants in the vid, just to avoid any confusion.

Whether or not they're British born Muslims they've got a neck if they think they can tell British women - indigenous or not - to dress a certain way after hundreds of years of struggle to allow us to wear what the hell we want to wear. I don't want to be dragged back to the dark ages and anyone who is accosted by them should laugh in their face.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whether or not they're British born Muslims they've got a neck if they think they can tell British women - indigenous or not - to dress a certain way after hundreds of years of struggle to allow us to wear what the hell we want to wear. I don't want to be dragged back to the dark ages and anyone who is accosted by them should laugh in their face.

Agree with that totally

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whether or not they're British born Muslims they've got a neck if they think they can tell British women - indigenous or not - to dress a certain way after hundreds of years of struggle to allow us to wear what the hell we want to wear. I don't want to be dragged back to the dark ages and anyone who is accosted by them should laugh in their face.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

Whether or not they're British born Muslims they've got a neck if they think they can tell British women - indigenous or not - to dress a certain way after hundreds of years of struggle to allow us to wear what the hell we want to wear. I don't want to be dragged back to the dark ages and anyone who is accosted by them should laugh in their face.

It was a woman in the crowd that made those comments, it was not the reason for the protest nor the words of the Imam she spoke to.
Again suggesting that is the feeling of all British Muslims is a generalisation.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It was a woman in the crowd that made those comments, it was not the reason for the protest nor the words of the Imam she spoke to.
Again suggesting that is the feeling of all British Muslims is a generalisation.

So? I don't care who said it, what the reason for the protest was nor what the imam said in that one piece of film.

Please, point out who has said that it is the feeling of ALL British Muslims. I have no problem with the moderates, I don't suppose most people do. Only with the fundamentalists. And you'll notice, there's nothing like the trouble in this country with fundamentalists from any other faith but Islam.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Livia

So? I don't care who said it, what the reason for the protest was nor what the imam said in that one piece of film.

Please, point out who has said that it is the feeling of ALL British Muslims. I have no problem with the moderates, I don't suppose most people do. Only with the fundamentalists. And you'll notice, there's nothing like the trouble in this country with fundamentalists from any other faith but Islam.

I was just clarifying what was actually happening in the vid.

Ah I see you didn't mean all, just the fundamentals? well I thought that would go without saying that we are all against fundamentals.

Getting back on topic I don't feel all Muslims should be forced to have ID due to the actions of fundamentalist Muslims.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

And if they are British born Muslims, whose freedoms are they.. theirs, yours, mine?
Who are 'us'? If you are here you have rights, for now.

That is not me suggesting for one second I agree with the chants in the vid, just to avoid any confusion.

There comes a 'Tipping Point' in ANY democracy, when hate-fuelled rants and draconian intimidation of others lie OUTSIDE any rights to LIBERTY and FREEDOM of SPEECH, irrespective of what colour, caste, creed or Nationality the perpetrators are - what is 'sauce' for bigotted WHITE British Racists is sauce for bigoted NON-WHITE BRITISH racists.

In my world anyway. Which is a world I want to retain as much of as possible for my children and grandchildren to grow up in.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

There comes a 'Tipping Point' in ANY democracy, when hate-fuelled rants and draconian intimidation of others lie OUTSIDE any rights to LIBERTY and FREEDOM of SPEECH, irrespective of what colour, caste, creed or Nationality the perpetrators are - what is 'sauce' for bigotted WHITE British Racists is sauce for bigoted NON-WHITE BRITISH racists.

In my world anyway. Which is a world I want to retain as much of as possible for my children and grandchildren to grow up in.

Which is why we have hate laws.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Which is why we have hate laws.

: joker:
You kidding me?

You type this:

Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
And if they are British born Muslims, whose freedoms are they.. theirs, yours, mine?
Who are 'us'? If you are here you have rights, for now.


Which is CLEARLY defending the rights of the intolerant arrogant bastards in the video, so I respond with this:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post
"There comes a 'Tipping Point' in ANY democracy, when hate-fuelled rants and draconian intimidation of others lie OUTSIDE any rights to LIBERTY and FREEDOM of SPEECH, irrespective of what colour, caste, creed or Nationality the perpetrators are - what is 'sauce' for bigotted WHITE British Racists is sauce for bigoted NON-WHITE BRITISH racists.

In my world anyway. Which is a world I want to retain as much of as possible for my children and grandchildren to grow up in."

Then you respond with this:

"Which is why we have hate laws"

Your posts REALLY are confused Kizzy, sorry.

Why would 'Hate Laws' come into this if - as you claimed - these bastards have the 'freedom' to act in the hateful way they are acting in the video?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

: joker:
You kidding me?

You type this:

Originally Posted by Kizzy View Post
And if they are British born Muslims, whose freedoms are they.. theirs, yours, mine?
Who are 'us'? If you are here you have rights, for now.


Which is CLEARLY defending the rights of the intolerant arrogant bastards in the video, so I respond with this:

Originally Posted by kirklancaster View Post
"There comes a 'Tipping Point' in ANY democracy, when hate-fuelled rants and draconian intimidation of others lie OUTSIDE any rights to LIBERTY and FREEDOM of SPEECH, irrespective of what colour, caste, creed or Nationality the perpetrators are - what is 'sauce' for bigotted WHITE British Racists is sauce for bigoted NON-WHITE BRITISH racists.

In my world anyway. Which is a world I want to retain as much of as possible for my children and grandchildren to grow up in."

Then you respond with this:

"Which is why we have hate laws"

Your posts REALLY are confused Kizzy, sorry.

Why would 'Hate Laws' come into this if - as you claimed - these bastards have the 'freedom' to act in the hateful way they are acting in the video?

I don't know what you are finding so funny...
How am I defending anyone? I clearly stated that I didn't agree with what they were saying you clearly misunderstood me.

We do have hate laws to protect us all from hate speech, if there are any inciteful rants from anyone they are dealt with
That was my point there, if you are confused then I don't feel I'm the one with the issue, my posts are pretty clear.