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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

'WE' have a lot more to be 'PROUD OF' than the bestial, evil ISIS scum who repeatedly mutilate the genitals of screaming 3 year old children while they are still alive, behead terrified innocent civilians, massacre in cold blood hundreds of innocent civilians in their OWN countries whilst they are just going peacefully about their daily business, and who rape innocent young girls before selling them into slavery.

Again making the mistake of assuming that when I say we don't have anything to be proud of, I am intimating that ISIS does. I have clearly and repeatedly stated that I am well aware that ISIS are far worse, but that the existence of such evil does not necessarily make the opposition "good". Something that you seem unable to grasp - and yet it's me who is being "juvenile and simplistic"?

You've lost your ability to see the shades of grey Kirk, or, if you haven't, you're doing a damned good impression of someone who has. You have the world in your head neatly divided into Heroes and Monsters.

I guess it must be an easy moral stance to take but, unfortunately for me, it's just not one that I can delude myself into.