[Samm]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

Whether you like it or not Trump is speaking for a lot of Americans right now

No he's not lmao

[JoshBB]

Disgusting and racist. Says a lot about Republicans that he's still frontrunner..

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

Whether you like it or not Trump is speaking for a lot of Americans right now

Trump is speaking on behalf of uneducated racist bigots and if that turns out to be the majority of the voting citizens of the US then i really do fear for them as a country.
After all they were so so different when they migrated en-mass to America they treated the indigenous people of that country with respect and adapted to their their culture so well didnt they?
OH no wait they murdered the fcuk out of them and took it as their own! Talk about hypocrisy.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Disgusting and racist. Says a lot about Republicans that he's still frontrunner..

It does :/

[bots]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Disgusting and racist. Says a lot about Republicans that he's still frontrunner..

it shows up the pretence of the USA having democratic elections. It is a joke that with a population of 320 million, they can't find candidates that would make the possibility of him winning zero

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by the truth

We need to check and vet people properly before letting them into Europe and into the UK. If that is racist then call me racist and I will call you a liar. no offence.

I strongly agree. We have to have a system in place that can better check the credentials of those entering our shores.

Why on earth would I call you a racist?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by FrostyChique

No he's not lmao

well we shall see who votes for him

i am guessing quite a few

[GiRTh]

Finally it looks like he's gone too far, like the proposal for the wall with the door wasnt far enough. This latest idiotic idea has been roundly slammed by his supporters and opponents.

[GiRTh]

Donald Trump's Muslim US ban call roundly condemned

Republican presidential hopeful Donald Trump has provoked condemnation from across the political spectrum, by saying Muslims should be banned from entering the US.

Republicans, Democrats, Muslim leaders, the UN and foreign leaders criticised the call as dangerous and divisive.

Mr Trump said many Muslims nursed a "hatred" towards America.

He said they should be banned "until our country's representatives can figure out what is going on".

His campaign manager said that would apply to "everybody" - would-be immigrants and tourists. But Mr Trump told Fox News it would "not apply to people living in the country", adding that Muslims serving in the US military would "come home".

Mr Trump's statement was delivered as the US comes to terms with its deadliest terror attack since 9/11.

Last week a Muslim couple, believed to have been radicalised, opened fire and killed 14 people at a health centre in San Bernardino.

Mr Trump's proposed ban prompted a horrified reaction from Republicans and others.

Rival candidate Jeb Bush called Mr Trump "unhinged", while former US Vice-President Dick Cheney said it "goes against everything we stand for and believe in".

"Just foolish," said Republican Arizona Senator John McCain.

Mr Trump's comments were contrary to US values and its national security interests, a statement from the White House said.

The UK's Conservative Prime Minister David Cameron said they were "divisive, unhelpful and quite simply wrong".

Trump's 'highly respected' pollsters- Who are they?

Tough talk- Katty Kay on why his rhetoric wins

'Will the camps have wifi?' - Trump's proposal met with humour online

Police 'afraid' in 'radicalised' London- Trump claims officers "are afraid for their lives"

"Donald Trump sounds more like a leader of a lynch mob than a great nation like ours,'' said Nihad Awad, national executive director of the Council on American-Islamic Relations.

"These are not just words... Trump and Carson's mainstreaming of Islamophobia in the election is inciting discrimination, hate crimes, violent attacks against Muslims and mosques."

The pro-Jewish Anti-Defamation League said the plan was "deeply offensive and runs contrary to our nation's deepest values.

"In the Jewish community, we know all too well what can happen when a particular religious group is singled out for stereotyping and scapegoating."

Meanwhile, the Democratic mayor of St Petersburg, Florida, announced to Twitter plaudits that he was "hereby barring Donald Trump from entering St Petersburg until we fully understand the dangerous threat posed by all Trumps".

Mr Trump took part in heated interviews on several US television networks on Tuesday, defending the proposal and saying it was temporary measure to prevent "many more World Trade Centers".

On ABC's Good Morning America, he said "what I'm doing is no different than FDR," referring to policies implemented by President Franklin Roosevelt during World War Two against Japanese, German and Italian people in the US. Some of those measures saw over 100,000 people detained in government camps.

At one point during a lengthy interview on MSNBC, presenter Joe Scarborough forced the network into a commercial break after the candidate repeatedly talked over journalists, refusing to answer questions.

Some of his Republican rivals - mindful, perhaps, that Mr Trump's more outlandish proposals only appear to have bolstered his poll ratings - were more nuanced in their criticism.

Carly Fiorina used her response to take simultaneous aim at President Barack Obama, saying his "overreaction is as dangerous as President Obama's under-reaction" - while Ted Cruz said: "Well, that is not my policy."

Ben Carson said visitors to the US should be monitored, but added: "I do not and would not advocate being selective on one's religion."

Mr Trump's plans were not universally derided.

He garnered loud cheers when he repeated his ban pledge at a South Carolina rally hours after his initial statement.

A handful of supporters backed Mr Trump online, with controversial conservative commentator Ann Coulter tweeting: "GO TRUMP, GO!"

The BBC's Anthony Zurcher, in Washington, says Mr Trump, whose poll ratings have risen after other hardline statements, has set down a marker that will force his fellow candidates to stand with him or risk his ire.

The UN refugee agency UNHCR said it was concerned that the rhetoric was putting an "incredibly important" resettlement programme for vulnerable Syrian refugees at risk.

Spokeswoman Melissa Fleming said remarks not just by Mr Trump but by a number of US state governors could undermine a programme designed to help the most vulnerable refugees.

The US currently accepts several thousand refugees for resettlement each year, following a rigorous security screening which lasts around two years.

Mr Trump's statement to reporters on Monday said polling by the Center for Security Policy, a conservative think-tank, suggested that 25% of Muslims in the US believed violence against America was justified.

"Without looking at the various polling data, it is obvious to anybody the hatred is beyond comprehension. Where this hatred comes from and why, we will have to determine.

"Until we [do]... our country cannot be the victims of horrendous attacks by people that believe only in jihad."

On Sunday, President Obama made a rare Oval Office address in response to the San Bernardino attack and warned against the US falling prey to divisiveness.

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Its an indication of how crazy this idea is when Ann Coulter is the only one supporting it.

[In the Drunk Tank]

It's a real gift to his Republican opponents, they needed something like this. The next Republican debate is a week today, Trump is going to have a very tough time of it

Of course he's made quite extreme statements before and it hasn't hindered his campaign but I think this might be different: there's been condemnation from a lot of other Republicans including those who are very well respected and have achieved a lot in their careers, not just his current opponents

[bots]

Originally Posted by MTVN

It's a real gift to his Republican opponents, they needed something like this. The next Republican debate is a week today, Trump is going to have a very tough time of it

Of course he's made quite extreme statements before and it hasn't hindered his campaign but I think this might be different: there's been condemnation from a lot of other Republicans including those who are very well respected and have achieved a lot in their careers, not just his current opponents

I would like to think it was true, but for all the shouts of ridiculous, there is a growing trend of extremist views gaining traction across the globe. Extremists latch on to main stream causes and blur the bounds of what is considered acceptable. Its all quite worrying.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

is he that bothered about the opinions of the press and politicians?

I think he may well have struck a chord with a swathe of America

Look at how well Le Penn is doing in France

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Every time political commentators predict that an "outrageous" comment by him meant he had finally gone too far, the voters disagree and his poll numbers just go higher.

we shall see

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

is he that bothered about the opinions of the press and politicians?

I think he may well have struck a chord with a swathe of America

Look at how well Le Penn is doing in France

I get the impression you are all for this fascist?

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I get the impression you are all for this fascist?

I think to dismiss him as a fascist is folly

[Samm]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

I get the impression you are all for this fascist?

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[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by FrostyChique

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[EspeonBB]

This isn't going to harm his popularity tho. His brainwashed, idiotic supporters will lap this up (especially in light of recent events where people's fear overrides their common sense)

[Nedusa]

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

All potential Muslim immigrants require careful and in depth vetting, so having a temporary ban on Muslims is actually not such a bad idea.

[Johnnyuk123]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

All potential Muslim immigrants require careful and in depth vetting, so having a temporary ban on Muslims is actually not such a bad idea.

[Christmas Dynasnow]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

All potential Muslim immigrants require careful and in depth vetting, so having a temporary ban on Muslims is actually not such a bad idea.

[Samm]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

All potential Muslim immigrants require careful and in depth getting, so having a temporary ban on Muslims is actually not such a bad idea.

That was the late 1930s a lot has changed since then, and just because they did it back then doesn't mean it's right now, and out of the total population of American Muslims the amount of isis supports in there will be tiny very very tiny, I'm not even going to call the Isis supports Muslims because they aren't at all.

It actually disgraces me that people think like this, have we learnt nothing from the past?

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by FrostyChique

That was the late 1930s a lot has changed since then, and just because they did it back then doesn't mean it's right now, and out of the total population of American Muslims the amount of isis supports in there will be tiny very very tiny, I'm not even going to call the Isis supports Muslims because they aren't at all.

It actually disgraces me that people think like this, have we learnt nothing from the past?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Nedusa

It's actually heartening to hear a politician speaking openly and honestly. Japanese people were temporarily interned at the start of WW2 because they posed a potential risk. What's the difference. Muslims currently are at war with the west and we are all targets.

All potential Muslim immigrants require careful and in depth vetting, so having a temporary ban on Muslims is actually not such a bad idea.

So what happens to all the genuine Muslims who are fleeing war torn Syria? Should we just send them all back?
Should we stop Muslims travelling temporarily too? because Muslims that were born and bred in America go on business trips and holidays abroad just like we do.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

Every time political commentators predict that an "outrageous" comment by him meant he had finally gone too far, the voters disagree and his poll numbers just go higher.

we shall see

Not true. He hadnt been leading by much recently and for a time Ben Carson was leading. Latest polls indicate the race is now quite close.

http://www.msnbc.com/rachel-maddow-s...epublican-race

http://www.vox.com/2015/12/7/9865648...oll-cruz-trump