[billy123]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

I agree with this, I've had Muslim friends in the past, but I hate their ideology.

OOOH you peaked my interest Mock
.
Mock what part of this ideology that a third of the planet hold is it that you profess to hate? Do you hate it or do you just not understand it and just form opinions based on the last thing you read? These "Muslim friends" what was it that made you just cut them out of your life?
Im curious i dont think they existed did they?

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

This would imply that most extremists live here in the west.Which i don't think is true due to the very large percentage of muslims who hold these views.

No, what I'm saying is, extremists that could potentially be a threat to us re- future terrorist acts are the ones born and living here and not the ones coming in on boats.

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

No, what I'm saying is, extremists that could potentially be a threat to us re- future terrorist acts are the ones born and living here and not the ones coming in on boats.

That wasn't the case in Paris though, so its not something that can be said with any certainty. Admittedly we have better controls here than they have in France, but the possibility still exists.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

That wasn't the case in Paris though, so its not something that can be said with any certainty. Admittedly we have better controls here than they have in France, but the possibility still exists.

Of all the terrorists in the Paris shootings, only two were from the middle east. The rest were born here in the west.

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Of all the terrorists in the Paris shootings, only two were from the middle east. The rest were born here in the west.

Yes, but two isn't zero, and they did take an active part in the events in Paris, so there is a threat from incoming immigrants.

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

Yes, but two isn't zero, and they did take an active part in the events in Paris, so there is a threat from incoming immigrants.

Yes of course and that's why their identities must be scrutinized but there is far more threat from home grown fundamentalists.

Of all the Syrians who fled Syria, only one (and I say one because Ahmad al-Mohammad was a regular visitor to both Brussels and Paris so was hardly an immigrant) was thought to of come in with the refugees.

These men were born and bred in the West and were radicalised enough to die for their cause.
Salah Abdeslam born and raised in Brussels.
Abdelhamid Abaaoud born and raised in Brussels.
Brahim Abdeslam born and raised in Brussels.
Omar Ismail Mostefai born and raised in Paris.
Samy Amimour born and raised in Paris.
Hasna Aitboulahcen born and raised in Paris.
Jawad Bendaoud born and raised in Paris.
Mohammed Amri born and raised in Brussels
Abraimi Lazez French national born in Belgium.
Ahmad Dahmani born in Belgium.
Foued Mohamed-Aggad born in Morocco raised in Strasbourg.
Bilal Hadfi born and raised in Belgium.

[Vicky.]

I highly doubt it

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by bobnot

OOOH you peaked my interest Mock
.
Mock what part of this ideology that a third of the planet hold is it that you profess to hate? Do you hate it or do you just not understand it and just form opinions based on the last thing you read? These "Muslim friends" what was it that made you just cut them out of your life?
Im curious i dont think they existed did they?

you seem to impressed with numbers


you do know that there are quite a lot of thick people on this planet?

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Father Mockmas

I agree with this, I've had Muslim friends in the past, but I hate their ideology.

Have you read the Koran though? It's not all "kill the gays" and "enslave the women" you know..

[bots]

Originally Posted by DemolitionRed

Yes of course and that's why their identities must be scrutinized but there is far more threat from home grown fundamentalists.

Of all the Syrians who fled Syria, only one (and I say one because Ahmad al-Mohammad was a regular visitor to both Brussels and Paris so was hardly an immigrant) was thought to of come in with the refugees.

These men were born and bred in the West and were radicalised enough to die for their cause.
Salah Abdeslam born and raised in Brussels.
Abdelhamid Abaaoud born and raised in Brussels.
Brahim Abdeslam born and raised in Brussels.
Omar Ismail Mostefai born and raised in Paris.
Samy Amimour born and raised in Paris.
Hasna Aitboulahcen born and raised in Paris.
Jawad Bendaoud born and raised in Paris.
Mohammed Amri born and raised in Brussels
Abraimi Lazez French national born in Belgium.
Ahmad Dahmani born in Belgium.
Foued Mohamed-Aggad born in Morocco raised in Strasbourg.
Bilal Hadfi born and raised in Belgium.

The problem as I see it is that there will be those that actively support the ISIS cause and are waiting for their chance of martyrdom. There will be those that support ISIS, but would never dream of taking any action. There will be those that action is triggered in them, and the reason for trigger could be anything from radicalisation to someone treating them what they could consider badly or unfairly. There is yet another group with no support for ISIS but just want to be martyrs anyway and will attach themselves to it as that justifies their existence

We are probably aware of many in the first group, so hopefully many of them will get stopped in their tracks, the second group are of no concern, its the last groups that will cause the damage, and those are the difficult ones to detect, whether they are home grown or immigrants.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

The problem as I see it is that there will be those that actively support the ISIS cause and are waiting for their chance of martyrdom. There will be those that support ISIS, but would never dream of taking any action. There will be those that action is triggered in them, and the reason for trigger could be anything from radicalisation to someone treating them what they could consider badly or unfairly. There is yet another group with no support for ISIS but just want to be martyrs anyway and will attach themselves to it as that justifies their existence

We are probably aware of many in the first group, so hopefully many of them will get stopped in their tracks, the second group are of no concern, its the last groups that will cause the damage, and those are the difficult ones to detect, whether they are home grown or immigrants.

So basically you've ignored the earlier rational explanation of which specific theoretical branch of the Muslim faith correspond with ISIS ideology and go with your own 3 tier explanation encompassing all Muslims? Ok.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by JoshBB

Have you read the Koran though? It's not all "kill the gays" and "enslave the women" you know..

its full of vile superstitious nonsense

as with any religious book you can easily take a myriad of meanings and methods from it to suit any human agenda

[bots]

Originally Posted by Merry Kizzmas

So basically you've ignored the earlier rational explanation of which specific theoretical branch of the Muslim faith correspond with ISIS ideology and go with your own 3 tier explanation encompassing all Muslims? Ok.

Given the number of times my points are cast aside with contempt, it seems pretty normal on this particular forum. If its some new rule that i need to address everyones points, then it should apply to all, no?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Elf On Strike

Given the number of times my points are cast aside with contempt, it seems pretty normal on this particular forum. If its some new rule that i need to address everyones points, then it should apply to all, no?

You did address the point... and you cast it aside with contempt describing it as 'fudging'.

[JoshBB]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

its full of vile superstitious nonsense

as with any religious book you can easily take a myriad of meanings and methods from it to suit any human agenda

It has some quite repulsive verses, just as the bible and the torah do, but that doesn't mean the entirety of the ideology is bad.. just elements. That's the point I was trying to make.

There are verses referencing to help the weak and vulnerable in all three, which are very much necessary qualities to have in the neoliberal path we're heading down.

[Kizzy]

Thirty per cent of Republicans in a poll said that the national security threat posed by Agrabah, the fictional city in Aladdin, demands a US military intervention.

Let that sink in for a second.

The statistic was found during a survey of 532 Republican primary voters by Public Policy Polling between 16-17 December.

Thirteen per cent of those surveyed said they opposed bombing Agrabah, the city loosely based on Baghdad in the 1993 Disney movie Aladdin, while 57 per cent said they were not sure.

:/

http://i100.independent.co.uk/articl...in--byqyS8_bix

[DemolitionRed]

This was a brilliant experiment with the Quran and the bible.
http://www.upworthy.com/quran-passag...earn-the-truth

[Kizzy]

Youtube video

Cheers for that Red

[billy123]

Originally Posted by Joseph the Carpenter

you seem to impressed with numbers


you do know that there are quite a lot of thick people on this planet?

Did you mean too? I am well aware of that their are also far too many ignorant racist pricks on this planet as well did you know that?
You started this thread based on numbers from a Britain first website ffs

[DemolitionRed]

wrong thread