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Originally Posted by kirklancaster

If we - and they - are talking here of "subversion, displacement or oppression", not only have you not addressed my points about Shaka Zulu, but also perhaps, these 'students' should stop focusing their rage solely on a statue of their benefactor - historical imperialist oppressor or not - and instead broaden such 'genuine' outrage to include monuments, statue, and all forms of euologies to Saint Nelson Mandela, the self-confessed murderer and terrorist who at his trial pleaded guilty as the head of terrorist organisation UmKhonto we Sizwe, (MK), to 156 acts of violence perpetrated against innocent South African civilians.

These acts comprised of organising terrorist bombing campaigns which injured and killed innocent civilians - including women and children - in public places such as railway stations, shopping centres, Magistrate’s Courts, and cinemas.

I know this may not weigh as heavily in your view as the deeds of that nasty imperialist Rhodes, but if these students protests ARE truly based on the injustice and oppression of South African people, then surely Mandela should be high on their 'Statue Removal' hit list?

Finally - it is over 20 years since the abhorrent regime of Apartheid ended in South Africa, so I would be interested in anyone posting a factual account of just how much that country has progressed and evolved, and how life for ORDINARY South Africans has improved since that day.

How are the ANC doing?

He most certainly was and as that is the topic currently up for discussion I choose to maintain my focus on that. If you wish to begin a thread in which to question Nelson Mandelas ethics go ahead, I don't feel the two are comparable personally.
That said it has been suggested that without Rhodes there would have been no apartheid, therefore ANC would never have come to be.