[chuff me dizzy]

What people are forgetting is ,she has made her money from being vile, she entered the house saying she would wipe the floor with everyone ,then withered ,which one is the act ? she is not a shy,weak little woman she's a vile creature who can dish it out but not take it back

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by Cherie

If John really felt there was only one option left then he should have gone to the DR to express his views, it's not his place to tell a HM they "have to leave", he has no authority to do that, so I do think his intention was to lay down his marker as head of house and in so doing he did try to bully her into making a snap decision to leave by making her feel the whole house wanted her gone.

That's how I saw it.

[Kazanne]

No,lol,he was very angry,we all say that kind of thing in anger so NO he didn't 'bully' her,anyway I though she was some big 'I am' from the hood,so how could she ever be bullied,I am still waiting to see her fiestyness,she seems like any ordinary Joe to me, infact quite subservient .

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by Kazanne

No,lol,he was very angry,we all say that kind of thing in anger so NO he didn't 'bully' her,anyway I though she was some big 'I am' from the hood,so how could she ever be bullied,I am still waiting to see her fiestyness,she seems like any ordinary Joe to me, infact quite subservient .

http://bigbrother.channel5.com/darrens-not-boring-day-8

Not the big I am from the hood in this ,watch her grovel round Darren when he confronts her !!!!!!

[Crimson Dynamo]

I think he did in order to make the others like him

he was shown up to be a spineless coward

[MTVN]

Originally Posted by Pink Pegasus

I don't know. I didn't like Tiffany basically getting asked to leave the house by other housemates, but to me it looked like all of the housemates in the living room had been saying that they felt threatened and intimidated and didn't feel safe (I still want to know why they felt that way) and basically saying that they didn't want to stay there if Tiffany was there. I mean Kristina was even saying she didn't feel safe enough to sleep in the same bedroom with Tiff.

So John just seemed to be acting as spokesman for the group by saying "well that's it then, she has to leave, or we do" - I DON'T think it was something he came up with all by himself, it seemed to be after listening to all the housemates acting like they were scared for some reason and wanting her gone, then he stood up and said what he did. He just seemed to be going with what the general consensus of the group already was and nobody disagreed, they were more than happy to let him be spokesman and go in and speak on their behalf to Tiffany instead of saying it themselves to her.

He basically went and told Tiffany what the score was with the other housemates and what everybody was saying. At this point a huge majority of the house seemed disgusted and shocked by Tiffany's behaviour towards Angie and I can see why. She did act horrid by saying she wasn't apologising to that "old bitch" even after the misunderstanding had been cleared up. Even she herself knows she acted terribly which is why she apologised.

After Angie had accepted her apology that should have been the end of it though. People should have stayed out it after that or else maybe given her a chance to talk to them after Christopher asked, or maybe when she offered to help with dishes they could have softened.

But the actual beginning where Tiffany was acting like a bitch and the housemates were fuming with her and John basically told her what all the other housemates had been saying about not being happy with her staying in the house? I don't know if that part was bullying or just the housemates reacting angrily to Tiffany's behaviour with John just happening to be their spokesman at the time because they all seemed too afraid to go and talk to her themselves. (why they were all acting so afraid I've no idea, but John just seemed to be acting like the 'brave' one on behalf of his friends and telling Tiff what they were all thinking and saying anyways)

Good post

[Matress]

He did the right thing in trying to make her understand how wrong she was. Its nowhere near bullying. If she behaves that bad she can expect that type of response. She was bullying Angie and upsetting everybody in the house. She took far too long to apologize.

Her Bollox don't wash wiv anyone.

[wendywillow]

john is a raging a**hole and tried to rally the troops to get her out...pretty bully-ish. glad to see tiff was able to dig herself out of the hole

[Splashy]

Not bully, just being an idiot.

Some HMs were still reeling from being told without any warning or chance to prepare for her emotionally delivered false news. I think became thought she was being malicious, she didnt help herself turning it back on Angie.

His noms will do for him anyway, going for a rival from his own business was crass imo.

[Livia]

No!

Did Tiffany bully Angie? YES!

And that's just from the highlights we saw. Tiffany's behaviour was appalling, she was angry, aggressive and unapologetic. I would have felt the same as everyone and wanted her OUT. If that makes me a racist or a supporter of bullies then there is no hope for the world.

[cheapbbfan]

Yes. Who the hell made him ambassador of the house?

[Vanessa]

John is a manipulative creep. Sorry, but after last night i can't stand the guy. Now he decides when people go to bed and when they leave the House? And pn top of that he nominates "friend" Darren

[Livia]

None of the housemates seem put out that John became the spokesperson. Having one person give the views of the entire group - and they all felt the same - is much better than them all screaming and shouting. Everyone was calm... except Tiffany. I'm not a fan of John but I don't see he did anything wrong last night.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Livia

None of the housemates seem put out that John became the spokesperson. Having one person give the views of the entire group - and they all felt the same - is much better than them all screaming and shouting. Everyone was calm... except Tiffany. I'm not a fan of John but I don't see he did anything wrong last night.

I just find him very controlling. It would drive me mad if i was there.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

I just find him very controlling. It would drive me mad if i was there.

All it takes is one of them to say John, you do not speak for me.


Hey Ness x

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Livia

All it takes is one of them to say John, you do not speak for me.


Hey Ness x

Hello! Also him nominating his closest friends? He's a game player and wants to win. Nothing wrong with that, but i think you should not nominate your friends without a valid reason.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Vanessa

Hello! Also him nominating his closest friends? He's a game player and wants to win. Nothing wrong with that, but i think you should not nominate your friends without a valid reason.

Oh God, I agree... he's not a nice person. I just don't think people had a problem with him speaking for them yesterday.

[Vanessa]

Originally Posted by Livia

Oh God, I agree... he's not a nice person. I just don't think people had a problem with him speaking for them yesterday.

I hope they wise up to him.

[Jessica.]

Originally Posted by Smithy

Vicious little queen had me worried for tiffs safety!

This

[Denver]

Funny hpw Tiffany is getting away with her bullying Angie

[minny03]

John was a complete asshole. Why was he ganging up on Tiffany like that? He seems like the one that wanted airtime from the way he was acting by trying to look like 'the good guy.'

He was totally putting on a show and making the situation worse. Why try to kick her out of the house when you could've simply had a group meeting later on as tempers calmed down a bit? He's an egotistical snake.

[Headie]

[Vanessa]

This guy is a bully, no question.

[ThriceShy]

Originally Posted by Livia

None of the housemates seem put out that John became the spokesperson. Having one person give the views of the entire group - and they all felt the same - is much better than them all screaming and shouting. Everyone was calm... except Tiffany. I'm not a fan of John but I don't see he did anything wrong last night.

We get it. You don't like Tiffany.

[empire]

I feel that john and tiffany are both, very two faced, and very calculating with the sympathy vote, in what john had said was not racist, but he brought his true colours out, when winston left, he said that winston singled him out because he was gay, but I never saw once, winston single him out, he never had a problem with him, the same with tiffany, she said that he did not creep her out, the second he left, she said to john that he creeped her out, both seem to have the same personality, and want more air time, tiffany seems very insecure with white people, you can see it in her body language, john tries to hide his real insecure look, and it makes him even more fake, I put my doubt's about bullying, but both clash because they want the same thing.