[chuff me dizzy]

Did he hell,she lied,he outed her ....simple as that

[Miranda123]

Originally Posted by Hayden

I think he did. Danniella kind of did too. Tried to isolate her despite her apology.

Even when David told her to apologise and she said she would, Danniella was heard in the background "no, you must give Angie breathing space"

And John basically tried to bully her out the house or get BB to eject her.

what she actually said was "give Angie time to grieve, wtf?? they were divorced over 40 years ago and hated each other since then

and who the f..k is Danielle to steal the grief of his ACTUAL family and act like it belongs to a woman he couldnt stand the sight of?/

Danielle and John are really pissing me off!!

[smudgie]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

what she actually said was "give Angie time to grieve, wtf?? they were divorced over 40 years ago and hated each other since then

and who the f..k is Danielle to steal the grief of his ACTUAL family and act like it belongs to a woman he couldnt stand the sight of?/

Danielle and John are really pissing me off!!

Spot on Miranda.
Looks like Angie is going to milk this.

[reece(:]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Did he hell,she lied,he outed her ....simple as that

She didn't lie she misconstrued

[Calderyon]

No, but it was close to being it tbh.

[rionablue]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

No, I think Tiffany is well able to take care of herself no matter how many are irritated or annoyed with her.

I can however understand how she thought Angie meant David in the house but once the true facts were made known, then Tiffany was very much in the wrong for me.

However no she wasn't bullied, and many did for a moment or two genuinely want her out the house.

AGREED

[MTVN]

Nah and I don't think he did anything that bad really. Emotions were running high, he felt protective of Angie and when you feel a friend is having their grief exacerbated then you are going to take it seriously so he lashed out. He might have gone a bit far but in that moment he had a lot of people siding with him and he did confront her directly about it

[MB.]

No, but I still don't like how he handled the situation (nobody did handle it well, hence Tiffany falling by about eight places in my ranking)

[Heaven = Winner]

He was being a nasty piece of work with Tiffany. So was Kristina and to a slightly lesser extent, Danniella

[rusticgal]

Originally Posted by jaxie

No I don't think she was bullied. I think Tiffany behaved badly and everyone reacted to that badly as well.

Not everyone...

[Edna Mode]

How is he even in the house?

I thought he fell into the pits of Mordor trying to save the ring?

[jet]

Even when Tiffany learned that it was Angie's ex husband who had died, she stropped about, called Angie a bitch, laughed to herself in the garden and didn't offer Angie her condolences - which she should have done as soon as she knew the truth.
I think John and co. were just disgusted with her behaviour at the time, so it wasn't really bullying. Not that I'm keen on John, he seems very controlling and I wouldn't like to be on the receiving end of that disapproving, intimidating stare of his...

[BB4fan]

To be honest, I wouldn't say he 'bullied' anyone. Bullying someone is when you constantly pick on the same person over and over for days, which I haven't seen him do to her.

He was annoyed with her and she was annoyed with nearly the entire house and it was one of those days where neither of them were going to have a good thing to say to each other.

[BB4fan]

To be honest, I wouldn't say he 'bullied' anyone. Bullying someone is when you constantly pick on the same person over and over for days, which I haven't seen him do to her.

He was annoyed with her and she was annoyed with nearly the entire house and it was one of those days where neither of them were going to have a good thing to say to each other.

[Pink Pegasus]

I don't know. I didn't like Tiffany basically getting asked to leave the house by other housemates, but to me it looked like all of the housemates in the living room had been saying that they felt threatened and intimidated and didn't feel safe (I still want to know why they felt that way) and basically saying that they didn't want to stay there if Tiffany was there. I mean Kristina was even saying she didn't feel safe enough to sleep in the same bedroom with Tiff.

So John just seemed to be acting as spokesman for the group by saying "well that's it then, she has to leave, or we do" - I DON'T think it was something he came up with all by himself, it seemed to be after listening to all the housemates acting like they were scared for some reason and wanting her gone, then he stood up and said what he did. He just seemed to be going with what the general consensus of the group already was and nobody disagreed, they were more than happy to let him be spokesman and go in and speak on their behalf to Tiffany instead of saying it themselves to her.

He basically went and told Tiffany what the score was with the other housemates and what everybody was saying. At this point a huge majority of the house seemed disgusted and shocked by Tiffany's behaviour towards Angie and I can see why. She did act horrid by saying she wasn't apologising to that "old bitch" even after the misunderstanding had been cleared up. Even she herself knows she acted terribly which is why she apologised.

After Angie had accepted her apology that should have been the end of it though. People should have stayed out it after that or else maybe given her a chance to talk to them after Christopher asked, or maybe when she offered to help with dishes they could have softened.

But the actual beginning where Tiffany was acting like a bitch and the housemates were fuming with her and John basically told her what all the other housemates had been saying about not being happy with her staying in the house? I don't know if that part was bullying or just the housemates reacting angrily to Tiffany's behaviour with John just happening to be their spokesman at the time because they all seemed too afraid to go and talk to her themselves. (why they were all acting so afraid I've no idea, but John just seemed to be acting like the 'brave' one on behalf of his friends and telling Tiff what they were all thinking and saying anyways)

[coffee]

I haven't seen tonights ep yet and I can't remember who John is but I am FURIOUS if he is bullying my queen!!!!!

[rubymoo]

No i don't think he bullied her, but i do think he came across as really mean and unforgiving, and John was one of my favourites to win

Angie wasn't clear from the start and she decided to confide in the loudest HM, was it an overreaction on Tiff's part? Only Tiff knows that.

It was just a set of massive misunderstandings and i felt mad at him trying to tell her she should leave the house, he has no right to decide who should and shouldn't be in the house, and the others then saying they would leave if she wouldn't, grow up!

It was nice that Angie and Tiff hugged it out, and you can genuinely see that Tiff feels ostracized by the others, if Angie can hug it out and accept responsibility on her part then so should the others!

[Ammi]

....hmmm, no I don't think that he did bully her as such but I think that it was an isolated 'pack mentality' situation...because it was isolated and because of the situation and confusion that was in many of them at the time, I think others reactions/actions and taking part are much more forgivable than John's because he wasn't suffering any confusion and pretty much understood how the misunderstanding had happened from the start so him being such a big part of it was pretty grim and shabby....bullying though I think if it continues and she's isolated in any way...I honestly think that John used the situation to his own ends...to an extent, I think that Angie did as well, I mean before the whole misunderstanding because she seemed quite un-phased by the news ...they hadn't been together for many, many years and she's taken every opportunity to publicly express her bitterness toward him...but her upset was probably a delayed reaction thing and genuine....I don't know if it was the editing thing and BB but I would have liked to see her express a thought for her son who did have a relationship with his father and who she would have known was in deep grief...maybe she did but they just didn't show it...it would have shown a balance of respect to David and also to Duncan by BB if they had done though...

[Cbbanne]

What strikes me about John is he is a sh- t stirrer. He says one thing to the group and then goes to Tiffany and acts like he is just delivering the views of the others. Yet it was him and Daniella that stirred up the group to go against Tiffany. Let's face facts Angie is disgusting. Fake tears, fake grief! She is milking this for all it's worth. If you are a fan of David Bowie you would know he couldn't tolerate Angie. Angie has spent 40 years ripping apart David Bowies reputation etc to the point her own son won't speak with her. It is easy to google what Angie has said about David Bowie and also what David thought of her. In my opinion yes John can be at times a bully. He also is very two faced. I would get him out along with Daniella. They are both nasty. Them calling for Angie to be kicked out , then once Angie apologised and tried to be better still John and Daniella wouldn't accept her trying to make amends and they continued to try to isolate Tiffany. That is not on! Let's get the nasty housemates out, John Angie And Daniella! Just my opinion.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Miranda123

what she actually said was "give Angie time to grieve, wtf?? they were divorced over 40 years ago and hated each other since then

and who the f..k is Danielle to steal the grief of his ACTUAL family and act like it belongs to a woman he couldnt stand the sight of?/

Danielle and John are really pissing me off!!

And Kristina!

[Ammi]

...welcome to the forum Cbbanne/your first post...the reasons though that Duncan has basically disowned his mother though for so long is not to do with any feelings/things said between David and Angie though, it's more specific than that, I think...not the time or place though out of respect to all of the family...

[Cherie]

If John really felt there was only one option left then he should have gone to the DR to express his views, it's not his place to tell a HM they "have to leave", he has no authority to do that, so I do think his intention was to lay down his marker as head of house and in so doing he did try to bully her into making a snap decision to leave by making her feel the whole house wanted her gone.

[Slevin]

no but he was being a massive dick thats for sure. she acted like a bitch as well even after the misunderstanding came out.

[Matress]

He was well wivin his rights. She deserves everyfin comin her way. Her bollox don't wash wiv anyone.

Oh yes and Angie should have left the house immediately after being notified of her ex-husbands death out of respect to her son.

[Patricia4]

He think's he's in charge vile person.