[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

You should compare the "victims" reactions rather than the perpetrators actions. If you did, you would realise that it is not double standards at all. Making somebody laugh with sexual actions is not anywhere close to the same as making somebody uncomfortable with them.

How would public perceptions have been, other hijinks aside, if Ken Morley had went into the diary room after one of the young guys left and said he was going to be there for the guys girl interest with his legs open?

[lostalex]

but she's not a man, she's a woman, and women get treated differently. in most ways they get treated worse than men, but in some cases they have some privelidges.

also if 2 girls made out with the same guy, they would both be called sluts, but no one is calling scotty and jeremy sluts for both kissing the same girl.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Vicky.

It would only be classed as pervy if she was an older/unattractive man.

Got it in ONE Vicky.

[Kazanne]

Originally Posted by Carl Jayson

Darren took it brilliantly, she didn't make any advances she just got it off her chest.

And Jeremy has kissed her twice last night.

Well Darren is well pissed off with her now,after her stupid question to him in the truth or dare game.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If Tiffany was a man behaving like that with 2 younger girls, touching them between the legs in the shower, giving them some tongue, I think most of her supporters would be baying for her to be removed from the house. Remember how everyone got because Jeremy touched Chloe's robe? Tiffany had the shower door open and her hands all over Scotty's penis. No eyelids batted?

Tbf Scotty was the one flashing her in the garden and sticking his head in her boobs, it wasn't all one sided, that's the difference. Also people saying she's a much older woman and they're young guys? There isn't that much of an age gap between her and Scotty, he's 27 and she's 34

[Beso]

if i shared a house with someone who goes for a wank while a party is on the go i would be kicking them out, asap!

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If Tiffany was a man behaving like that with 2 younger girls, touching them between the legs in the shower, giving them some tongue, I think most of her supporters would be baying for her to be removed from the house. Remember how everyone got because Jeremy touched Chloe's robe? Tiffany had the shower door open and her hands all over Scotty's penis. No eyelids batted?

Jeremy opened her robe to reveal her boob.

Had Jeremy and Chloe been kissing beforehand?

I can't see how you can compare the two situations tbh.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by White_L10N

If Tiff was a man her sexual behaviour would be seen as disgusting. Telling Jeremy she wants to fck him... in front of everyone. Trying to kiss him. Saying she will be there for Scotty T now that Megan has gone. In a sexual way. Talking about Darren even though he has a wife. Thinking back to Winston checking out some of the women... that was nothing in comparison and he was slated for it! There is a clear double standard here. The fact it doesn't even appear to be an issue or talked about is incredible.

well said - its double standards.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jaxie

If Tiffany was a man behaving like that with 2 younger girls, touching them between the legs in the shower, giving them some tongue, I think most of her supporters would be baying for her to be removed from the house. Remember how everyone got because Jeremy touched Chloe's robe? Tiffany had the shower door open and her hands all over Scotty's penis. No eyelids batted?

Totally agree, last night antics (Making Darren feel uncomfortable,touching Scotts old man, pulling his pants down) were ALL removable offences

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MrWong

Jeremy opened her robe to reveal her boob.

Had Jeremy and Chloe been kissing beforehand?

I can't see how you can compare the two situations tbh.

Well in both situations they were in the bathroom and privacy was invaded. Idk, does a bit of a snog in truth or dare send a neon invite to open the shower and touch someone's doo dah?
If it does you are opening a whole new world to t or d for me!

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Well in both situations they were in the bathroom and privacy was invaded. Idk, does a bit of a snog in truth or dare send a neon invite to open the shower and touch someone's doo dah?
If it does you are opening a whole new world to t or d for me!

2 people acting up in a sexual way.

1 person helping another person who is being sick. That person is then made completely uncomfortable when the person she is helping moves her robe to reveal her boob.

Yeah, they're the same.

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MrWong

2 people acting up in a sexual way.

1 person helping another person who is being sick. That person is then made completely uncomfortable when the person she is helping moves her robe to reveal her boob.

Yeah, they're the same.

I'm sorry but kissing and 'acting up' isn't an open invitation to open a shower later and touch your sexual organs.

The only real difference is Scotty didn't say no.

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm sorry but kissing and 'acting up' isn't an open invitation to open a shower later and touch your sexual organs.

The only real difference is Scotty didn't say no.

A massively important difference wouldn't you say?

Like I said, the two situations cannot be compared.

[hot2go]

It def appears to be hypocrisy by some of the viewers, Jeremy and Steph are doing exactly the same thing....but I think it's great for some viewers.....I def applaud it...I think there should be more sex and naughty stuff.....it's a part of what BB is about ...and any of the young ones who go in there or any ones partner who goes in there must surely expect that these things can happen....my only discomfort with Tiffany isn't that she's chasing Scotty it's that she's chased 3 blokes one after the other...and even that doesn't bother be morally but it makes her looks bit silly and I thought she was a bit cooler than that

[Crimson Dynamo]

what age is she, 30 odd?

[Crimson Dynamo]

good god she is 34

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by MrWong

A massively important difference wouldn't you say?

Like I said, the two situations cannot be compared.

I'm not convinced had he said no any eyelids would have batted so no, I still believe a lot of people have double standards. I can almost hear people saying, had he said no or stop 'but he has sex a lot on his TV show.'

[White_L10N]

Darren said “how much have you had to drink”. So clearly he seen this situation as something that is only warranted if you’re highly intoxicated! Men are more comfortable with their sexuality and can easily and effortlessly accept and move on from something like this. Which is my point. If the same were to happen to a woman. She would be in the diary room slating a man for being a perv.

You don’t tell a man who has a wife, on television, that you are interested in him. Why would you need to? Other than the hope that he will say he does too? This is the definition of seedy. Lacking moral fibre. From a societal perspective anyway. But because she’s a woman she gets away with her overt sexual nature. Men don’t anymore. They are expected to keep it to themselves. If you’re going to say men have to keep it to themselves then surely Tiff should be expected to as well. This is why it’s a double standard. I personally have no problem with Winston or Tiff being overtly sexual. Because you’re lying to yourself if you’re holding it in otherwise. What I have a problem with is the fact a woman’s body must be respected more so than a man’s.

Men are made to feel uncomfortable about their feelings towards woman. Then woman who like a guy complain he doesn’t have the balls to take it to that level. But he’s been wussyfied by the years and years of conditioning. All a woman needs to do is say .. “I appreciate you find me attractive. I would too if I were you. But I’m not interested”. Nobody said this to Winston. If he were to continue his behaviour after this fact then and only then does it become acceptable to claim he’s making you uncomfortable.

[Trasadkel1]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Totally agree, last night antics (Making Darren feel uncomfortable,touching Scotts old man, pulling his pants down) were ALL removable offences

Agree and if it had been a man doing the same thing I very much doubt if he would have still been in the house.

[luvjustin]

They were compliant. They were drunk. Dappy was the exact same way with Louisa, which was also reciprocated. There is far too many moral highgrounders on here. Stop the slut shaming and chill until someone complains about behavior towards them.

[luvjustin]

Originally Posted by White_L10N

Darren said “how much have you had to drink”. So clearly he seen this situation as something that is only warranted if you’re highly intoxicated! Men are more comfortable with their sexuality and can easily and effortlessly accept and move on from something like this. Which is my point. If the same were to happen to a woman. She would be in the diary room slating a man for being a perv.

You don’t tell a man who has a wife, on television, that you are interested in him. Why would you need to? Other than the hope that he will say he does too? This is the definition of seedy. Lacking moral fibre. From a societal perspective anyway. But because she’s a woman she gets away with her overt sexual nature. Men don’t anymore. They are expected to keep it to themselves. If you’re going to say men have to keep it to themselves then surely Tiff should be expected to as well. This is why it’s a double standard. I personally have no problem with Winston or Tiff being overtly sexual. Because you’re lying to yourself if you’re holding it in otherwise. What I have a problem with is the fact a woman’s body must be respected more so than a man’s.

Men are made to feel uncomfortable about their feelings towards woman. Then woman who like a guy complain he doesn’t have the balls to take it to that level. But he’s been wussyfied by the years and years of conditioning. All a woman needs to do is say .. “I appreciate you find me attractive. I would too if I were you. But I’m not interested”. Nobody said this to Winston. If he were to continue his behaviour after this fact then and only then does it become acceptable to claim he’s making you uncomfortable.

I can't even begin to wrap my head around these kinds of views. I thought you people were a myth.

[Withano]

Originally Posted by jaxie

How would public perceptions have been, other hijinks aside, if Ken Morley had went into the diary room after one of the young guys left and said he was going to be there for the guys girl interest with his legs open?

Completely different which is the point you missed. Its different using sex and appearing fun and using it and appearing threatening.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Totally agree, last night antics (Making Darren feel uncomfortable,touching Scotts old man, pulling his pants down) were ALL removable offences

The Darren question was bad taste and loaded with suggestion...very inappropriate ....the other stuff harmless IMO...I liked seeing em having fun for once, those boys were making Tiff feel include that's all......but interesting what you say about pulling pants down, your so right, when Deniese Welch did that to a female BB reprimanded her and there were threats of lawyers...i thought that was wrong and this was right but they must surely both be the same, one or the other not both

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Withano

Completely different which is the point you missed. Its different using sex and appearing fun and using it and appearing threatening.

It was said in the diary room why would it have been more threatening and less in fun if it was Ken instead of Tiffany who offered comfort by opening their legs?

[Jordan.]

No one cares apart from few 'outraged' people online