[hot2go]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Gemma has loaded the gun for all the others to fire, sneaky fat cow

That's my, tiresome, point....Gemma hasn't said hardly anything to Steph compared to Dani....that's the difference, Dani has said it up front and to Steph, Gemma has said loads more but always to the others and behind Stephs back....the reason Gemmas name features in so many peoples posts about other housemates is because Gemma is always in the epi centre of all the trouble in the house ...mostly as a smiling assassin who, as chuff just pointed out, loads the gun then sits back and watches her minions fire the f-cker
It's impossible for me to defend Steph and NOT bring Gemma into the discussion because Gemma is the one who is instigating each and every attack that's taking place against Steph....but she does it in a way that fools others into thinking she's not involved....

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

That's my, tiresome, point....Gemma hasn't said hardly anything to Steph compared to Dani....that's the difference, Dani has said it up front and to Steph, Gemma has said loads more but always to the others and behind Stephs back....the reason Gemmas name features in so many peoples posts about other housemates is because Gemma is always in the epi centre of all the trouble in the house ...mostly as a smiling assassin who, as chuff just pointed out, loads the gun then sits back and watches her minions fire the f-cker
It's impossible for me to defend Steph and NOT bring Gemma into the discussion because Gemma is the one who is instigating each and every attack that's taking place against Steph....but she does it in a way that fools others into thinking she's not involved....

All true ,John gets labelled the house back stabber but its not him,its Gemma the smiling assassin

[Tarryn]

I just don't know how anyone can defend Steph.
She is vile. A spoilt little girl who needs everybody to baby her.
Jeremy is not her potential boyfriend but he is now her carer.
She would have happily let Jeremy end his time in BB & walk out with her last night without a second thought for him.
She only cares about herself. She is one of the most selfish people I think I have ever seen.
Danniella was right to tell her what she thought of her. It must be so draining having to put up with a 22 year old girl with the mentality of a toddler.
I don't think though that Danniella is doing it out of love for Stephanie I just think she is trying to sugar-coat her hatred of her.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

I just don't know how anyone can defend Steph.
She is vile. A spoilt little girl who needs everybody to baby her.
Jeremy is not her potential boyfriend but he is now her carer.
She would have happily let Jeremy end his time in BB & walk out with her last night without a second thought for him.
She only cares about herself. She is one of the most selfish people I think I have ever seen.
Danniella was right to tell her what she thought of her. It must be so draining having to put up with a 22 year old girl with the mentality of a toddler.
I don't think though that Danniella is doing it out of love for Stephanie I just think she is trying to sugar-coat her hatred of her.

Another assumption, fantasy, whatever, that you KNOW Steph would let Jeremy end his time in the house to support her...you know no such thing at all....just like the woman who said the same thing on bbots doesn't know either....

Steph didn't say that, Jeremy did....and if there's one thing I'm certain of, if Jeremy does decide to leave with her, neither Steph, the others or a herd of wild horses would stop him......he is no ones mug....
For all we know, or you know, the reason Steph stayed could be BECAUSE Jeremy said he would leave with her.....how do you know how all that panned out, we only saw a few minutes of it.

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Another assumption, fantasy, whatever, that you KNOW Steph would let Jeremy end his time in the house to support her...you know no such thing at all....just like the woman who said the same thing on bbots doesn't know either....

Steph didn't say that, Jeremy did....and if there's one thing I'm certain of, if Jeremy does decide to leave with her, neither Steph, the others or a herd of wild horses would stop him......he is no ones mug....
For all we know, or you know, the reason Steph stayed could be BECAUSE Jeremy said he would leave with her.....how do you know how all that panned out, we only saw a few minutes of it.

Most of these threads are assumptions as we don't get to watch 24 hours a day.
I did not see Steph once try to stop Jeremy from leaving with her.
Nice try at an argument though, keep trying..............

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

Most of these threads are assumptions as we don't get to watch 24 hours a day.
I did not see Steph once try to stop Jeremy from leaving with her.
Nice try at an argument though, keep trying..............

she even went onto the diary room and told big brother that her and jezz want to leave, poor lad didn't want to leave at all but she was willing to bring him down with her..not very nice at all.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Tarryn

Most of these threads are assumptions as we don't get to watch 24 hours a day.
I did not see Steph once try to stop Jeremy from leaving with her.
Nice try at an argument though, keep trying..............

Most of these threads aren't assumptions at all....most people use real facts to support what they say ....you have no facts to support what you said about Steph and Jeremy leaving the house ...

[Tarryn]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Most of these threads aren't assumptions at all....most people use real facts to support what they say ....you have no facts to support what you said about Steph and Jeremy leaving the house ...

She sat there & said Jez & I are leaving the house !
What more proof do you need ?.
Another friend would have tried to stop him.
Instead she was happy for him to leave with her.
You can only use real facts for one hour highlights.
The other 23 hours are mostly speculation without the live feed.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Most of these threads aren't assumptions at all....most people use real facts to support what they say ....you have no facts to support what you said about Steph and Jeremy leaving the house ...

But...but...facts don't matter, right? Steph has shown herself to be selfish and self - centred (so many posts on this forum PROVE that) so just because she didn't say it doesn't mean anything. It's OBVIOUS that she selfishly wanted him to leave with her, the self centred little bitch.

See what I did there?

[jet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

All true ,John gets labelled the house back stabber but its not him,its Gemma the smiling assassin

Funny he is named as the house **** stirrer on BoTS, even a friend of his said it with a laugh. And Gillian said it too.He even gave his **** a stir before handing it back to her.
All that doesn't come out of nowhere. But I guess they are all wrong and you're right.

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by jet

Funny he is named as the house **** stirrer on BoTS, even a friend of his said it with a laugh. And Gillian said it too.He even gave his **** a stir before handing it back to her.
All that doesn't come out of nowhere. But I guess they are all wrong and you're right.

Right, so stupid Gillian said it so that makes it a fact ....seriously ?

[MrWong]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Right, so stupid Gillian said it so that makes it a fact ....seriously ?

John agreed. Stupid John eh.

[jet]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Right, so stupid Gillian said it so that makes it a fact ....seriously ?

He admitted it! And did you forget about BOTS and his friend?

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

All true ,John gets labelled the house back stabber but its not him,its Gemma the smiling assassin

Chuff, try and steer away from John if you can, cause this thread is for Steph and people will divert the attention of positive support for Steph by focusing on another house mate ....it's the way they play ....this thread will very quickly no longer be about Streph but instead will be a negative thread about John....they're clever....hope you don't mind me asking

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Chuff, try and steer away from John if you can, cause this thread is for Steph and people will divert the attention of positive support for Steph by focusing on another house mate ....it's the way they play ....this thread will very quickly no longer be about Streph but instead will be a negative thread about John....they're clever....hope you don't mind me asking

Not in the slightest my lovely xx Steph has been treat disgustingly in the house and on here

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by chuff me dizzy

Not in the slightest my lovely xx Steph has been treat disgustingly in the house and on here

Thank you

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Chuff, try and steer away from John if you can, cause this thread is for Steph and people will divert the attention of positive support for Steph by focusing on another house mate ....it's the way they play ....this thread will very quickly no longer be about Streph but instead will be a negative thread about John....they're clever....hope you don't mind me asking

The same happens when you accuse a HM of being involved when they weren't - in this case Gemma. It diverts the attention of positive support for Steph by focusing on another HM who you are bashing for little reason - in this case Gemma. If that's the way you want to play then the attention will be diverted from your fave, Steph, onto the person you hate, Gemma, who will be getting positive support. That's not very clever.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

That's my, tiresome, point....Gemma hasn't said hardly anything to Steph compared to Dani....that's the difference, Dani has said it up front and to Steph, Gemma has said loads more but always to the others and behind Stephs back....the reason Gemmas name features in so many peoples posts about other housemates is because Gemma is always in the epi centre of all the trouble in the house ...mostly as a smiling assassin who, as chuff just pointed out, loads the gun then sits back and watches her minions fire the f-cker
It's impossible for me to defend Steph and NOT bring Gemma into the discussion because Gemma is the one who is instigating each and every attack that's taking place against Steph....but she does it in a way that fools others into thinking she's not involved....

If you know so much about this, give the details of how Gemma instigated each and every attack. Just saying it without the evidence doesn't mean its true.
You could start with last night and work your way back...

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

If you know so much about this, give the details of how Gemma instigated each and every attack. Just saying it without the evidence doesn't mean its true.
You could start with last night and work your way back...

Really I am not trying to be unfriendly but I am really not gonna justify my views on that old cows bad behaviour again....if you want to know the tsunami of proof that's flooded this forum about Gemma Collins appalling personality them I'm afraid you're gonna have to trawl through all the old posts.....it's all there....it's all true....and it's shocking

[Beso]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Really I am not trying to be unfriendly but I am really not gonna justify my views on that old cows bad behaviour again....if you want to know the tsunami of proof that's flooded this forum about Gemma Collins appalling personality them I'm afraid you're gonna have to trawl through all the old posts.....it's all there....it's all true....and it's shocking

Gemma's done nothing but show class.

The one with the horrid personality is steph, such a lowlife scrubber compared to gemma's mild mannered and polite ways.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Really I am not trying to be unfriendly but I am really not gonna justify my views on that old cows bad behaviour again....if you want to know the tsunami of proof that's flooded this forum about Gemma Collins appalling personality them I'm afraid you're gonna have to trawl through all the old posts.....it's all there....it's all true....and it's shocking

I was asking you specifically how Gemma instigated each and every attack on Stephanie - which is what you accused her of. You can't expect to make a sweeping statement like that without any facts to back it up and not expect to be challenged on it.
So from your answer it seems you have no evidence at all or you would at least have answered this question - how did she instigate the attack on her last night? That can't be too hard.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

I was asking you specifically how Gemma instigated each and every attack on Stephanie - which is what you accused her of. You can't expect to make a sweeping statement like that without any facts to back it up and not expect to be challenged on it.
So from your answer it seems you have no evidence at all or you would at least have answered this question - how did she instigate the attack on her last night? That can't be too hard.

You must understand, that every time I explain my views on that old bag I am constantly told I have an obsession with her.....last night Gemma said she didn't want to go to bed because of the bad energy being created by the others...Steph wasn't creating a bad energy, she was having fun with it and making jokes about it and laughing about it....Gemma implied that she was scared to be around Steph.....since when ?!! Since when has she been scared of any of em ? And why should she be scared of Steph ? That's just planting seeds AGAIN in other people's minds to paint Steph in a bad way and diminish her personality....those are facts....what is not a provable fact and one we for sure won't agree on is, I believe without doubt, that when Gemma said to Dani " Dont speak to Steph when she comes in because she will kick off ".... What Gemma was really doing was putting that image out ther for people to imagine and act on...I believe, Gemma is the ring master of manipulation and manages to embroil everyone except Steph into her twisted games.....she's playing Dani like a fool...
So there is my reply you asked for....I know it's not any use to you and I know and respect your loyalty to Gemma....I like loyalty when it comes from rational and friendly people like yourself and I know you don't take my views personally...if Gemma wins next week I will actually be happy for you ...

[chuff me dizzy]

Originally Posted by hot2go

You must understand, that every time I explain my views on that old bag I am constantly told I have an obsession with her.....last night Gemma said she didn't want to go to bed because of the bad energy being created by the others...Steph wasn't creating a bad energy, she was having fun with it and making jokes about it and laughing about it....Gemma implied that she was scared to be around Steph.....since when ?!! Since when has she been scared of any of em ? And why should she be scared of Steph ? That's just planting seeds AGAIN in other people's minds to paint Steph in a bad way and diminish her personality....those are facts....what is not a provable fact and one we for sure won't agree on is, I believe without doubt, that when Gemma said to Dani " Dont speak to Steph when she comes in because she will kick off ".... What Gemma was really doing was putting that image out ther for people to imagine and act on...I believe, Gemma is the ring master of manipulation and manages to embroil everyone except Steph into her twisted games.....she's playing Dani like a fool...
So there is my reply you asked for....I know it's not any use to you and I know and respect your loyalty to Gemma....I like loyalty when it comes from rational and friendly people like yourself and I know you don't take my views personally...if Gemma wins next week I will actually be happy for you ...

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

You must understand, that every time I explain my views on that old bag I am constantly told I have an obsession with her.....last night Gemma said she didn't want to go to bed because of the bad energy being created by the others...Steph wasn't creating a bad energy, she was having fun with it and making jokes about it and laughing about it....Gemma implied that she was scared to be around Steph.....since when ?!! Since when has she been scared of any of em ? And why should she be scared of Steph ? That's just planting seeds AGAIN in other people's minds to paint Steph in a bad way and diminish her personality....those are facts....what is not a provable fact and one we for sure won't agree on is, I believe without doubt, that when Gemma said to Dani " Dont speak to Steph when she comes in because she will kick off ".... What Gemma was really doing was putting that image out ther for people to imagine and act on...I believe, Gemma is the ring master of manipulation and manages to embroil everyone except Steph into her twisted games.....she's playing Dani like a fool...
So there is my reply you asked for....I know it's not any use to you and I know and respect your loyalty to Gemma....I like loyalty when it comes from rational and friendly people like yourself and I know you don't take my views personally...if Gemma wins next week I will actually be happy for you ...

But those are not the FACTS. Steph instigated it when Dani was called to the diary room to nom by saying "It will probably be me and Jez even though we're the best crack". When Steph and Tiff were in the bedroom carrying on John walks into the kitchen shaking his head and goes up to Gemma and Dani.....

JOHN: "It's just horrendous in there right now"
JOHN: "It's ridiculous saying they're the most entertaining"
JOHN:"Why am I up for nomination".
GEMMA: "I'm stressed right now".
DANI: Is this Tiff?
JOHN: No, Stephanie.

Sounds of Tiff shouting in the bedroom.
Gemma: I don't want to walk into that bedroom, and that's not me.

Later Tiff is yelling loudly in the garden:
Gemma: Please if she walks in here don't say anything. (She was referring to Tiff, Steph was already entering the room when Gemma says this.)

Then Steph says something and that is when Dani said about her not working again. Gemma hasn't said a word and didn't say a word during the argument.

When Steph is going mental trying to get out:
Gemma: Who's that smashing up....(Inaudible) (She wouldn't have known if it was Tiff or Steph')
Dani: It's her.
John: This is upsetting!

Later: The camera shows Tiff grumbling and striding about the garden and the camera cuts to -
Gemma: I'm not going to speak to her tomorrow....I don't want to sleep in there.

Those are the FACTS of the scenes Gemma was involved in. Anyone can watch them as evidence. Gemma never said don't speak to Steph because 'it will kick off'. You put those words into her mouth. Gemma didn't say or imply she was scared of Steph - she was talking about Tiff - and much as I love Tiff, she WAS yelling and screeching. Gemma did NOTHING wrong to Steph.
Dani said plenty, and John said stuff, Gemma did not.
So it's unfair and wrong to surmise anything. Those are the FACTS.

I don't like posting anything unless I have the facts straight, so it bothers me when things are misinterpreted to fit in with what people want to believe.
So watch out for big bad Jet the fact checker.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

But those are not the FACTS. Steph instigated it when Dani was called to the diary room to nom by saying "It will probably be me and Jez even though we're the best crack". When Steph and Tiff were in the bedroom carrying on John walks into the kitchen shaking his head and goes up to Gemma and Dani.....

JOHN: "It's just horrendous in there right now"
JOHN: "It's ridiculous saying they're the most entertaining"
JOHN:"Why am I up for nomination".
GEMMA: "I'm stressed right now".
DANI: Is this Tiff?
JOHN: No, Stephanie.

Sounds of Tiff shouting in the bedroom.
Gemma: I don't want to walk into that bedroom, and that's not me.

Later Tiff is yelling loudly in the garden:
Gemma: Please if she walks in here don't say anything. (She was referring to Tiff, Steph was already entering the room when Gemma says this.)

Then Steph says something and that is when Dani said about her not working again. Gemma hasn't said a word and didn't say a word during the argument.

When Steph is going mental trying to get out:
Gemma: Who's that smashing up....(Inaudible) (She wouldn't have known if it was Tiff or Steph')
Dani: It's her.
John: This is upsetting!

Later: The camera shows Tiff grumbling and striding about the garden and the camera cuts to -
Gemma: I'm not going to speak to her tomorrow....I don't want to sleep in there.

Those are the FACTS of the scenes Gemma was involved in. Anyone can watch them as evidence. Gemma never said don't speak to Steph because 'it will kick off'. You put those words into her mouth. Gemma didn't say or imply she was scared of Steph - she was talking about Tiff - and much as I love Tiff, she WAS yelling and screeching. Gemma did NOTHING wrong to Steph.
Dani said plenty, and John said stuff, Gemma did not.
So it's unfair and wrong to surmise anything. Those are the FACTS.

I don't like posting anything unless I have the facts straight, so it bothers me when things are misinterpreted to fit in with what they want to believe.
So watch out for big bad Jet the fact checker.

That's very impressive and an accurate narration of what was said....thanks for taking the time to do that....I understand exactly how the dialogue in print looks like Gemma is innocent and you have every reasonable right to accept it on face value, especially as a fan....but myself I think it's very much open to interpretation and I think what Gemma says, or appears to say, and what Gemma actually means are two very different things....I don't agree that just because the edit shows Tiffany shouting then cuts to Gemma saying negative things about someone, that that someone was def Tiffany ...not at all....and I don't think for one minute that Gemma only had a problem with Tiffany and didn't relish the drama that was being directed at Steph by Dani.....I think we will get a clearer picture tonight when we see them reflect on it all....maybe Gemma will confirm the way it looks to you and say she only felt threatened by Tiffany.....or maybe she will confirm the way it looks to me and tell everyone that Steph was scary and that she was responsible for the bad energy in the house last night.....be kinda fun to see tonight's episode....you and me going head to head in a clean but friendly fight