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Originally Posted by the truth

Tony Benn was a lifelong Christian and the greatest politician of the last 50 years. Lloyd George the greatest politician in the history of the world was a Christian and aneurin bevan , the biggest legend of all was also a Christian. This is just one example of how Jesus changed our country for the better! That's before we consider the FACT Christian Chruches donate 100s of billions for charities across the globe every year, feeding, clothing, educating and saving the lives of millions. No other organisation on the planet even comes close. At the heart of it is the goodness and kindness of these people who want to help, in their heart is Jesus, the man who inspired this all with his words, actions and teachings.

The fact that many Christians are brilliant people and that brilliant things are done in the name of Christianity / the church has absolutely zero impact on whether or not any of it (God, creation, miracles, the supernatural stuff) is actually true, though, does it.

What I see is good people who WANT to do good things, who just happen to get their heads together through their churches. Would they be doing the same things without the church? No, maybe not, because they wouldn't know where to start... but I do know that they would still want to. Good people want to do good things, whether they "believe in or follow Jesus" or not.

In fact, I find it all the more honourable when non-religious people give up their time and energy to help others in these ways. They're doing it simply because it's a good and right thing to do. When I see religious people being charitable... I have to wonder; are they being that way because they really want to? Does it come naturally to them? Do they simply WANT to help? Or... is the motive ulterior? Do they feel compelled to because they believe in powerful beings who are watching their actions? Naturally, it'll be a mix of both.