[Ammi]

Originally Posted by jet

Thanks for the link to this thread Ammi....I've now watched it all and read most everything here. Another addict!
I'm not sure about that theory Ammi. If Avery killed Theresa so he could once again be the 'framed' innocent man wasn't he taking an enormous risk by going overboard with his 'planted evidence' to the extent that he wouldn't seem even slightly innocent at all, but glaringly guilty?
Not just planting the key himself and planting his sweat and blood in her car, but leaving her car on his premises, not removing her remains from the fire pit and drum etc, planting a bullet in his garage etc? How would any of that point to any doubt at all as to his guilt, in his own mind? There would have been no innocent man wrongly convicted, but a guilty man locked away for life.
He wouldn't have known beforehand that the Manatowoc county guys would enter his premises when they shouldn't have, therefore throwing particular suspicion on them (given the past history) for planting the key, bullet, blood etc. Once they had entered a few times, I believe Steve and his family weren't allowed back on their premises for some time? so maybe he couldn't have planted the key/bullet later. I'm pretty sure the bullet at least was found when the family were holed up somewhere else and it hadn't been in the garage when searched many times previously. He wouldn't have wiped the key clean of Teresa's dna and left his own on it if he wanted it to appear he was framed.

Also, the millions that were about to be his....he wouldn't have been a 'nobody' but a very rich man in his community... with all the clout that comes with that for many people. He and his family had been poor all their lives, looked down upon - wouldn't he have felt how good it would be to rub his riches in the faces of those who had looked upon them as 'scum'? Why kill someone at THAT time just for the attention of a dubious 'innocent man wrongly convicted' storyline again?

On the other hand, if he killed her because he is evil or perverted, not for the innocent man wrongly convicted tag, why would he leave her car on the premises and burn her body in his own firepit? What about the stench of a burning body?
Or if he burned her body somewhere else, why would he move it to his firepit? Why partially cover the car with some branches so instead of hiding it, it only made it stand out among the other cars? Why not drive her car with the body in it somewhere well away and dispose of it instead of leaving both right there practically in his own backyard? He doesn't seem crazy or stupid enough for that.
So although I dislike the man a lot, at the moment I'm thinking innocent.
And that poor Brendan was just used by police. I've no idea how any jury could have found him guilty beyond reasonable doubt...

....hmmm, but with all of that evidence as it is right now, he isn't glaringly guilty though, that's the thing..?..(if that theory were true, which I'm not totally convinced of myself, the case is too complicated/wouldn't that mean that he more or less got it just right/'planting in stages etc'..he couldn't be found innocent and not convicted and he couldn't be a guilty man either...and that's where we're at right now..?..)...there is probably no doubt that the person who murdered her had her car key and no doubt that he had his own DNA to 'plant', rather than more complicated and corruption explanations...

..yeah, I do understand what you're saying about him being a rich man, making him 'someone' in his mind..?...but then, that would also be a 'sound/logical mind' thought ..maybe in his unhealthy and disturbed mind, that would have just given him 'the same nobody but with money'..?...more about the genuine respect/support he felt in his thoughts, that being an 'innocent man' gave him in those 18yrs...(actually if it were a true theory, it really would be 'the making of a murderer' in that he was made that murderer in prison...


..I guess my train of thought with the theory anyway, came from the thing that we don't know for sure anything other than Teresa was shot in the head and her body burned...and a shot to the head feeling to me more like an 'execution'...for some reason that's really bugging me and not the 'profile' of this sort of murder...so if we look at the potential suspects but count out Steven as being innocent, but being framed..?...why then when that murderer would want everything to point to Steven would they burn the body...they had planted the car on his property, they pretty much knew he would be the number 1 suspect, so why not leave her body in the car/leave the keys in the car etc...?..surely a risk to start 'planting' when they could have just driven away after leaving all evidence in one place and be pretty certain he would be convicted..?...and also that 'murderer' going back to the property to plant after a time when they would know that the property would surely have had police/forensics around constantly..a huge risk of being found putting her remains outside the garage, in a full open area..also his van/trailer where he lived, being something that seems to be a place that could be easily seen with people going in and out of...so are we saying that the police themselves actually murdered someone because of the lawsuit he was about to win..?..hmmm, that would be hard to believe tbh, corruption possibly but murder...

..one of the things that's really bugging me as well is the whole timing...oh how convenient that he should be convicted of murder just before he was about to win....but how 'convenient' also that Teresa be killed/that anyone be murdered just before as well ..in a county that was meant to have comparatively little serious crimes like that...