[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Just another story about a vulnerable family for the mindless masses to look down upon and pretend that they are any better. I find the thought of someone taking advantage of the system far more palatable then the people who typically post on stories like this.



This, anyone would struggle to raise 8 kids on a budget like that.

I have to laugh at some of the ridiculous suggestions though, sell her car? Have you ever been to Birmingham? It takes ages to get anywhere on foot or by public transport, taking the car away won't help the family.

Vulnerable by own doing. I'll reserve my sympathy for parents out working hard everyday to provide for their kids not spongers sitting at home blaming the government for not raising their kids for them.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Vulnerable by own doing. I'll reserve my sympathy for parents out working hard everyday to provide for their kids not spongers sitting at home blaming the government for not raising their kids for them.

Sympathy is pointless and cheap, it's the pure malice that people like yourself show towards people on benefits that bothers me.

It's just people taking the opportunity to look down and the less fortunate and fool themselves into thinking they are better when in fact they are awful human beings.

[GiRTh]

There are about 20 people like this in the country yet the DM manages to find them all. Always they are too happy to look like a tw*t in the papers.

[Jordan.]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sympathy is pointless and cheap, it's the pure malice that people like yourself show towards people on benefits that bothers me.

It's just people taking the opportunity to look down and the less fortunate and fool themselves into thinking they are better when in fact they are awful human beings.

Way to generalize just from one post. I have no problem with people who genuinely need benefits in order to survive but people like this women are the definition of scroungers who give others in need a bad name, it's not particularly hard to see that.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

Sympathy is pointless and cheap, it's the pure malice that people like yourself show towards people on benefits that bothers me.

It's just people taking the opportunity to look down and the less fortunate and fool themselves into thinking they are better when in fact they are awful human beings.

Less fortunate?... Less fortunate is not a way to describe this situation, she didn't get pregnant 8 times by accident, less fortunate is those people who have been thrown on the dole by cheap steel imports, less fortunate is the miners who have just lost their jobs due to cheap imports etc etc

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Way to generalize just from one post. I have no problem with people who genuinely need benefits in order to survive but people like this women are the definition of scroungers who give others in need a bad name, it's not particularly hard to see that.

[RichardG]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Way to generalize just from one post. I have no problem with people who genuinely need benefits in order to survive but people like this women are the definition of scroungers who give others in need a bad name, it's not particularly hard to see that.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Less fortunate?... Less fortunate is not a way to describe this situation, she didn't get pregnant 8 times by accident, less fortunate is those people who have been thrown on the dole by cheap steel imports, less fortunate is the miners who have just lost their jobs due to cheap imports etc etc

Then let's have more stories on that and less demonisation of individuals. She is in no way representative of people on welfare, so you have to ask yourself what exactly is the agenda here?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Why are you shouting at me?... Go virtual finger wag somewhere else please.

I am EMPHASISING my text - If you see it as SHOUTING then tough.

AND STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO - please.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Or the Dad could support them, an old fashioned view I know

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then let's have more stories on that and less demonisation of individuals. She is in no way representative of people on welfare, so you have to ask yourself what exactly is the agenda here?

it's down to people like him and her that some people demonise those on benefits, I think most intelligent people can distinguish between lazy bastards who want what they want and those who genuinely fall on hard times

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I am EMPHASISING my text - If you see it as SHOUTING then tough.

AND STOP TELLING ME WHAT TO DO - please.

I would just rather you didn't quote me if you insist in posting in caps, it doesn't make anything you say any more pertinent and I find it quite rude.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Then let's have more stories on that and less demonisation of individuals. She is in no way representative of people on welfare, so you have to ask yourself what exactly is the agenda here?

This. I dont know how the DM manages to find these people but then again I bet she got a tidy sum for her story.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

it's down to people like him and her that some people demonise those on benefits, I think most intelligent people can distinguish between lazy bastards who want what they want and those who genuinely fall on hard times

But they don't do they? People don't distinguish, and when people do fall on hard time they forgo claiming due to social stigma.
And it's down to headlines like this ensuring that divide deepens.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by hijaxers

and her mouth she's a gobby cow moaning continually - just shut the **** up , and get a job - doubt she's planning anymore now she's been capped, just a shame its the wrong sort of cap eh

Err - do you mean..... Contraceptive Cap, or....... err.......Dunce's Cap, Hijax?

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

I would just rather you didn't quote me if you insist in posting in caps, it doesn't make anything you say any more pertinent and I find it quite rude.

I do not deliberately post in any style with you in mind, so sorry, but I really do not care how you find it.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Less fortunate?... Less fortunate is not a way to describe this situation, she didn't get pregnant 8 times by accident, less fortunate is those people who have been thrown on the dole by cheap steel imports, less fortunate is the miners who have just lost their jobs due to cheap imports etc etc

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Way to generalize just from one post. I have no problem with people who genuinely need benefits in order to survive but people like this women are the definition of scroungers who give others in need a bad name, it's not particularly hard to see that.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

a coil?


Its a railway gate thats needed by the looks of things

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by smudgie

Sell the car for starters, get a good pushchair and decent trainers for the kids..then get walking.
The benefit cap has been on the cards a good while, last baby should never have happened.
The taxpayer pays far too much out for people that are so irresponsible to think they can just pop money machines out, working or not.

[rubymoo]

She appeared on a benefits programme a few years ago, she has an on off relationship with the father of her children.

It appears she just wants a large family, and to be surrounded by her children, children she can't afford to keep, it's a strange world we live in, people depend on benefits, if the uk benefit system collapsed tomorrow i would say the majority of people would be in deep ****, we now live in a dependent society, we are not self sufficient, and i find it strange that as a society many are so dependent.

[user104658]

Anyone suggesting she sells the car has clearly not tried public transport at any time recently.

We fill up £25 in the car and it lasts us a full two weeks, easily, and that's with longer (50+ mile) trips occasionally.

Before we had the car, one return trip to town (ONE return trip) on the bus cost £13. It's 8 miles to town, not walkable. Oh can I also point out that £13 is for two adults and one child, as one of ours is under 5 and doesn't pay yet. For this one adult and 8 children to take the bus to town where I am, ONCE, would cost them £21.50.

In other words, the public transport service being the absolute shambles it is at the moment, for a family (and actually ANY time you have more than one person in a car, so even just for couples) that doesn't have everything they need within walking distance of their home, it is cheaper to run a car than to not run one.

It costs us approx. £130 a month to run the car, all in. That includes insirance, tax, etc. Before we had the car our travel expenses were pushing close to £250 a month. It's insane. And again - that's for two adults and one child.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

She appeared on a benefits programme a few years ago, she has an on off relationship with the father of her children.

It appears she just wants a large family, and to be surrounded by her children, children she can't afford to keep, it's a strange world we live in, people depend on benefits, if the uk benefit system collapsed tomorrow i would say the majority of people would be in deep ****, we now live in a dependent society, we are not self sufficient, and i find it strange that as a society many are so dependent.

The "haves" played just as large a part in making society benefits-dependant as those who are actually on them... and if the benefits system collapsed tomorrow, EVERYONE would be in deep ****, whether they're on benefits or not. The fact that so many people who are working require in-work benefits to survive means that if those collapse, the entire supporting tier of working people stops being able to function... and as loathe as they are to admit it - every single higher-earner in the country is entirely dependant on that supporting low-wage tier... and therefore, just as dependant on benefits as the people who actually have them paid into their accounts.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Anyone suggesting she sells the car has clearly not tried public transport at any time recently.

We fill up £25 in the car and it lasts us a full two weeks, easily, and that's with longer (50+ mile) trips occasionally.

Before we had the car, one return trip to town (ONE return trip) on the bus cost £13. It's 8 miles to town, not walkable. Oh can I also point out that £13 is for two adults and one child, as one of ours is under 5 and doesn't pay yet. For this one adult and 8 children to take the bus to town where I am, ONCE, would cost them £21.50.

In other words, the public transport service being the absolute shambles it is at the moment, for a family (and actually ANY time you have more than one person in a car, so even just for couples) that doesn't have everything they need within walking distance of their home, it is cheaper to run a car than to not run one.

It costs us approx. £130 a month to run the car, all in. That includes insirance, tax, etc. Before we had the car our travel expenses were pushing close to £250 a month. It's insane. And again - that's for two adults and one child.

But people on welfare have no business being out in the open breathing the good air reserved for tax payers, they can stay indoors and breath their own recycled air in.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Jordan.

Way to generalize just from one post. I have no problem with people who genuinely need benefits in order to survive but people like this women are the definition of scroungers who give others in need a bad name, it's not particularly hard to see that.

This^