[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Livia

As long as the child is loved and cared for (and she does seem to have quite an extended family) then it's no one's business but hers.

I'd agree totally with this.

It does on the surface seem kind of unnatural to become a Mother at 70,however for men, they can become Fathers and do in their 70s.

Definitely the overriding element to this as is said in the quoted post,is that the child is wanted, loved and cared for.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

As long as the child is loved and cared for (and she does seem to have quite an extended family) then it's no one's business but hers.

Where does it say that? And where does it say that they would raise the child when these too inevitably die, it's pure selfishness imo

Originally Posted by joeysteele

I'd agree totally with this.

It does on the surface seem kind of unnatural to become a Mother at 70,however for men, they can become Fathers and do in their 70s.

Definitely the overriding element to this as is said in the quoted post,is that the child is wanted, loved and cared for.

Until they die though and where does that leave the child? parent less

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Where does it say that? And where does it say that they would raise the child when these too inevitably die, it's pure selfishness imo



Until they die though and where does that leave the child? parent less

Agreed,however also that is something no one really knows, when someone will die.

Children lose Mothers and Fathers to cancer and other illnesses for instance often at very young ages.
It is also possible these Parents may live to into their 80s or beyond even, then this child will be a adult anyway.

Sometimes even a few years with loving parents is better than a lifetime with bad parents and it must be the case that this Lady wanted this child.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Agreed,however also that is something no one really knows, when someone will die.

Children lose Mothers and Fathers to cancer and other illnesses for instance often at very young ages.
It is also possible these Parents may live to into their 80s or beyond even, then this child will be a adult anyway.

Sometimes even a few years with loving parents is better than a lifetime with bad parents and it must be the case that this Lady wanted this child.

Well the father is 79 now so he would 97 (or more than likely dead) when the child is 18

ETA : And yes children can lose parents to cancer etc, that's unfortunate but nobody can predict circumstances like that. What you can predict though is that a couple in their 70's are A - Unlikely to make it through the childs childhood and B will more than likeliy struggle to look after a baby/toddler.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well the father is 79 now so he would 97 (or more than likely dead) when the child is 18

ETA : And yes children can lose parents to cancer etc, that's unfortunate but nobody can predict circumstances like that. What you can predict though is that a couple in their 70's are A - Unlikely to make it through the childs childhood and B will more than likeliy struggle to look after a baby/toddler.

All valid points.

The only points I would add is these 2 people could well live into their 80s or even 90s.
There are no guarantees they won't or will admittedly.

Also we don't know how fit and well these 2 people are either,one would expect good medical checks will have been done as to both as potential Parents.

You are getting there with me however Niamh,thinking more deeply about it myself, I would not probably like to have Parents of those ages.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

All valid points.

The only points I would add is these 2 people could well live into their 80s or even 90s.
There are no guarantees they won't or will admittedly.

Also we don't know how fit and well these 2 people are either,one would expect good medical checks will have been done as to both as potential Parents.

I'm not trying to be ageist or tell people what they can or can't do but I think the child should be the main focus here and not the parents, it's terrible that this woman couldn't have a child on her own and I feel bad for her but what she and her husband has done, imo is put their needs above what is good for the child that they've brought into the world

No one can predict what age this couple will live till but since the average life expectancy in India is 67, it seems very very likely they won't live through this childs childhood and that's selfish plain and simple.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I'm not trying to be ageist or tell people what they can or can't do but I think the child should be the main focus here and not the parents, it's terrible that this woman couldn't have a child on her own and I feel bad for her but what she and her husband has done, imo is put their needs above what is good for the child that they've brought into the world

No one can predict what age this couple will live till but since the average life expectancy in India is 67, it seems very very likely they won't live through this childs childhood and that's selfish plain and simple.

Very strong points.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Where does it say that? And where does it say that they would raise the child when these too inevitably die, it's pure selfishness imo

On the news this morning.

We've all had this discussion before... and we all had the same opinions before.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

On the news this morning.

We've all had this discussion before... and we all had the same opinions before.

fair enough but why have a child that you expect someone else to raise? What's the point?

We have had this discussion before but this situation is even more severe imo, this couple are alot older than others that have been posted about before (iirc)

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

fair enough but why have a child that you expect someone else to raise? What's the point?

We have had this discussion before but this situation is even more severe imo, this couple are alot older than others that have been posted about before (iirc)

Lots of young people have kids they abandon for someone else. With all the horrible things going on in the world, all the unwanted, abandoned children left to fend for themselves on the streets, trafficked into the sex industry, used as slaves in sweatshops, I don't find the idea of a child being brought into the world by two people who love him that difficult to take, whatever their age.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

Lots of young people have kids they abandon for someone else. With all the horrible things going on in the world, all the unwanted, abandoned children left to fend for themselves on the streets, trafficked into the sex industry, used as slaves in sweatshops, I don't find the idea of a child being brought into the world by two people who love him that difficult to take, whatever their age.

Sure they do but that's a whole other subject. The subject here is whether or not it's right for Doctors to give IVF treatment to a couple that are that old. I presume they wouldn't give a 15 year old IVF treatment

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Sure they do but that's a whole other subject. The subject here is whether or not it's right for Doctors to give IVF treatment to a couple that are that old. I presume they wouldn't give a 15 year old IVF treatment

I presume not. But isn't 70 the new 50?

If you've got enough cash you can probably find someone to do just about anything you want. Look at Michael Jackson - clearly had issues and yet was still treated by cosmetic surgeons. I'm not saying them having this child is right, just that isn't not as wrong as some things.