[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Obviously. . .

Why obviously? if it was quoting you then maybe but if it was a stranger there's no reason to suspect they are having a dig is there?... that person may themselves be Jewish/black/Muslim.

[Ammi]

..I don't understand any of the comparisons being used because this isn't anything like...'oh, funny Hitler walk', 'Don't mention the Germans' etc..it's very specific in referring to a method of how Jewish POW were killed in concentration camps..'gas the jews'...so it would be ignorance in the extreme at best for him to think there could ever be anything 'jokey' about it and, oh how it was meant to make people laugh...at worst, it's racist and hate-filled in it's content...(I'm not sure what the thing with TS was/is but I'm guessing by the 'sniffed out', he was joking about a Jewish stereotype type thing with Liv, which is completely different to the killing of Jews in the gas chambers ...and it would have been obvious of his jokes content as well/as bad as his jokes are, they are quite obvious...)...


...I don't know if it's a criminal offence as such but I do tend to agree with TS..I'm not a huge fan of 'taboo' and banning, so should have been allowed on YouTube...we can only know what under the surface holds if it's allowed it's airing, it's the only way it then can be addressed....so freedom of speech, yes and then the freedom of the law to act on that, if it's appropriate to do so and the freedom of reaction of the public to that free speech as well....

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

I'm not sure what the thing with TS was/is but I'm guessing by the 'sniffed out', he was joking about a Jewish stereotype type thing with Liv, which is completely different to the killing of Jews in the gas chambers ...and it would have been obvious of his jokes content as well/as bad as his jokes are, they are quite obvious...

[Crimson Dynamo]

Its fairly simple, is it an offence yes or no. If it is then arrest and charge him. Respect the law of the land

[joeysteele]

Well okay, I think it is clear I don't get humour on here a lot of the time,that is how I am.

I found the video offensive because of the continued sort of programming of the Dog and also the repeated content of the wording which I found unnecessary.
All very well to want to annoy someone else,in this case his girlfriend but keep it only between the 2 of them or close friends/family, not allow it to get into the public domain anywhere.

He for sure in my view, had a prepared negative Hitler/Nazi theme for this.

Is it criminal,maybe not,however anything that is or could be offensive to groups of others and is identifiable to the person who made it, may well be.
Really sick was how I found this video myself.

However, this is why from another thread I said this on,I do think there needs to be a new and full clarification of what is acceptable in the public domain of social media or anywhere else as to what would be termed racism or anti semitic content.
People may genuinely be doing things as a joke but jokes and pranks can go wrong and can even be used to promote more sinister thinking too.

I think it right the Police thought this worth a look at.
Wanting to annoy his girlfriend for whatever reason I can understand,however the full content of this video and the more it went on with the repeated theme would send alarm bells ringing for me that this 'could' have been far deeper than just being a joke.

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Wanting to annoy his girlfriend for whatever reason I can understand,however the full content of this video and the more it went on with the repeated theme would send alarm bells ringing for me that this 'could' have been far deeper than just being a joke.

Great post Joey. That last part made me think further... because the whole excuse of wanting to annoy his girlfriend also begs the question... why video it and post it on youtube? This wasn't just about him wanting to train the dog to annoy his girlfriend, he wanted the world to laugh along with him at how funny it is to trivialize the events of the holocaust. Regardless of if he's racist (not that it's unimportant, I just don't know if he is or not), he is insanely ignorant. (As a side note, let's say he HAD made this with the sole intent of annoying his girlfriend... if that was me and I came home to find my partner had trained our dog to do a nazi salute, and he was going round the house shouting 'gas the Jews' thinking it was funny, I wouldn't find it 'annoying', I'd be absolutely mortified! So even if his excuse is completely genuine, it's still kind of shocking to think that him and his girlfriend find it totally acceptable and funny, even in a private setting.) And it's not about being overly PC, South Park's been mentioned a couple of times and that's one of my all time favourite shows, but there's context behind their shows when they deal with things like this. And 'context' is also why it's different when Jews or other minorities make self-referential jokes. But to me, this isn't comparable because the only context he's offered is "I want to annoy my girlfriend", which doesn't fly for me for the reasons I mentioned.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Its fairly simple, is it an offence yes or no. If it is then arrest and charge him. Respect the law of the land

He is not deliberately encouraging hatred, discrimination or violence so no, it isn't an offence, which is why he's been released without charge.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

He is not deliberately encouraging hatred, discrimination or violence so no, it isn't an offence, which is why he's been released without charge.

Hopefully he will have learned his lesson and may now try and read a bit more about the subject so that he does not make a total tit out of himself again.

[user104658]

The girlfriend thing is an excuse and probably not even true, but that doesn't mean his reasons were sinister. Just naive, insensitive and... primitive, I guess? He was clearly going for "controversial humour" like, say, Frankie Boyle, with the problem being that it wasn't a very clever attempt at controversial humour. I'm a fan of controversial humour and this video just wasn't funny... not because it was offensive to me or upset me in any way... just because it straight up WASN'T funny. It was basic, longwinded and boring. I guess that's where the problem lies? When you use something controversial in an attempt at dark humour, and it isn't actually FUNNY at all, then all you're left with is the words themselves and their very real associations.

So yeah, he just wanted to post something controversial in an attempt at being funny and gaining some "internet fame", and being clearly unimaginative, he thought "Hmmm what's controversial? Nazis. I'll say something about Nazis and Jews derp lolol". It's just the first thing he thought of. On another day he might have thought of a different "generic controversial topic" and had the dog respond to that. I don't think he really gave that part much thought at all.

Ironically, it wouldn't have gained anything like the traction or notoriety that it did if it had just been left alone as another crappy YouTube video. The police and press attention has resulted in the original youtube video getting nearly 2 million jews

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Hopefully he will have learned his lesson and may now try and read a bit more about the subject so that he does not make a total tit out of himself again.

He'll either try to ride the high and make more disastrously unfunny videos, or shy away from ever making another one. Either way if you watch the interview with him... he has clearly gotten himself totally out of his depth

[MTVN]

I suspect this man is a member of the Labour party

[billy123]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I suspect this man is a member of the Labour party

That is possibly one of your worst attempts at trolling ever. 1/10 (the 1 was just for effort and attempted derailment of thread)

[bots]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The girlfriend thing is an excuse and probably not even true, but that doesn't mean his reasons were sinister. Just naive, insensitive and... primitive, I guess? He was clearly going for "controversial humour" like, say, Frankie Boyle, with the problem being that it wasn't a very clever attempt at controversial humour. I'm a fan of controversial humour and this video just wasn't funny... not because it was offensive to me or upset me in any way... just because it straight up WASN'T funny. It was basic, longwinded and boring. I guess that's where the problem lies? When you use something controversial in an attempt at dark humour, and it isn't actually FUNNY at all, then all you're left with is the words themselves and their very real associations.

So yeah, he just wanted to post something controversial in an attempt at being funny and gaining some "internet fame", and being clearly unimaginative, he thought "Hmmm what's controversial? Nazis. I'll say something about Nazis and Jews derp lolol". It's just the first thing he thought of. On another day he might have thought of a different "generic controversial topic" and had the dog respond to that. I don't think he really gave that part much thought at all.

Ironically, it wouldn't have gained anything like the traction or notoriety that it did if it had just been left alone as another crappy YouTube video. The police and press attention has resulted in the original youtube video getting nearly 2 million jews

you are awful ....

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I suspect this man is a member of the Labour party

Why would he be a member of 'only' the Labour party please.
I am a member and for sure would not want him alongside me.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Why would he be a member of 'only' the Labour party please.
I am a member and for sure would not want him alongside me.

I think it was a joke regarding Labours current anti-semetism crisis

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I suspect this man is a member of the Labour party

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

I think it was a joke regarding Labours current anti-semetism crisis

Well its as bad as the one in the video on this thread then in my view.

Maybe if all other parties were really scrutinised as well it would likely, and in my view certainly, not be only the Labour party that has a minority of these people in them.

Also at least the Labour party is investigating same too.

Coming on here lately dismays and annoys me at times it really does.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

Well its as bad as the one in the video on this thread then in my view.

Maybe if all other parties were really scrutinised as well it would likely, and in my view certainly, not be only the Labour party that has a minority of these people in them.

Also at least the Labour party is investigating same too.

Coming on here lately dismays and annoys me at times it really does.

Yep i'm sure all parties have unsavoury characters in them.Labour is just the party under scrutiny right now.

[Crimson Dynamo]

I wonder what the reaction would have been if his trigger word was "suffocate liverpool children at Hillsborough"

Now obviously I am using this as a very unsavoury example so apologies if that is upsetting to anyone affected.

But I would imagine the ****storm would have been worse?

[Livia]

Originally Posted by MTVN

I suspect this man is a member of the Labour party

Made me LOL...

[Kizzy]

No it would have been equally twatty, this isn't tragedy/genocide top trumps LT.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Yep i'm sure all parties have unsavoury characters in them.Labour is just the party under scrutiny right now.

They for sure do.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

this isn't tragedy/genocide top trumps

Damnit. I love that game

[Livia]

LT made a perfectly valid analogy. Everyone's making noise about this being in poor taste but have made a wide range of excuses for this person. I'm convinced many here would be more upset if it was a different group being targeted... hence LT's analogy. Jews are a soft target even now... be it because some people don't like Jews or that they just don't understand the depth and breadth of the problem.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Livia

LT made a perfectly valid analogy. Everyone's making noise about this being in poor taste but have made a wide range of excuses for this person. I'm convinced many here would be more upset if it was a different group being targeted... hence LT's analogy. Jews are a soft target even now... be it because some people don't like Jews or that they just don't understand the depth and breadth of the problem.

I agree with that, it's funny how some "groups" are allowed to be offended but others are told get over it.