[MTVN]

They did whiteface Sol Campbell at the general election so they're not new to controversial messaging

[Shaun]

Ah right I see. If they're using him as a point of view worth expressing then perhaps they're best taken with a pinch of salt.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Livia

If it had been a big black man shouting and wagging his finger at a little white granny there would have been hell on, and rightly so. The fact it's a white man wagging his finger and shouting at a little Asian granny is no less inflammatory, in my opinion.

Too right.It is a racist generalisation.

[rubymoo]

I see it as the white aggressive man is the man voting to leave the EU, the little calm dainty indian lady is representative as staying in the EU, what leads me to this view is the fact that this woman is an immigrant wishing to stay in the EU as it's lead to her having the freedom to come to the UK and forge a new life for herself, and the angry white man is wanting her out of the country because she's an immigrant, that's just my interpretation of this poster.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I see it as the white aggressive man is the man voting to leave the EU, the little calm dainty indian lady is representative as staying in the EU, what leads me to this view is the fact that this woman is an immigrant wishing to stay in the EU as it's lead to her having the freedom to come to the UK and forge a new life for herself, and the angry white man is wanting her out of the country because she's an immigrant, that's just my interpretation of this poster.

..I guess how I interpreted it is more in the future than now in that if ethnic voters don't use their vote../have their say, then that becomes more a 'white Britain' or an all white Britain because their voices aren't being heard../being registered...so the 'skinhead' type person is representing an all white country...I think that they're trying to portray a 'powerful white person' in a representation of what the majority of voters are and have been and a 'weak ethnic person', also representing that many ethnic people don't use their vote...

[Beso]

there is no way they are the same weight!

[Ammi]

...clever lady sewed some weights into the hem of her sari though...that's why he's so frustrated and annoyed, he thought that he had it in the bag....

[stvdno]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

How do you feel about this poster advert that is purporting to inform people to vote in the EU election?

I feel very offended by this advert on more than one level. First it is stereotyping the white English male as very offensive towards black people. Sorry can I use the word black I must be careful not to incite racism the way this advertisement is clearly racist towards white people but I suppose this must be ok.
Secondly the poster could possibly be seen as an advertisement supporting domestic abuse . Who ever agreed to running this advertisement I believe should be held accountable. This is clearly an offensive and abusive poster!

[DemolitionRed]

Originally Posted by rubymoo

I see it as the white aggressive man is the man voting to leave the EU, the little calm dainty indian lady is representative as staying in the EU, what leads me to this view is the fact that this woman is an immigrant wishing to stay in the EU as it's lead to her having the freedom to come to the UK and forge a new life for herself, and the angry white man is wanting her out of the country because she's an immigrant, that's just my interpretation of this poster.

This is what I see. The poster is aimed at ethnic vote and its claiming a lot of those voting out are voting out because of them.

I find it neither offensive or untrue; lots of voters will vote out because of the immigrant situation and the political campaign isn't ignorant to that fact.

[Beso]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...clever lady sewed some weights into the hem of her sari though...that's why he's so frustrated and annoyed, he thought that he had it in the bag....

it will be her suicide belt.

[Jamie89]

I think it's only really offensive if you look at the poster assuming that the white man depicted is meant to represent all white males. I don't think it is though. It's showing one example of the reality that a lot of ethnic minorities face, and why shouldn't that be highlighted? Should it not be highlighted because of the risk of upsetting the white males who aren't represented in the ad?

The whole point of the ad is to get more to people to vote (people who are British but are sometimes made to feel like they aren't), and that's a really difficult thing to do so an ad like this needs to be powerful, and most importantly, not pander to the wants of the white population. It needs to give a message that people of ethnic minorities can relate to, regardless of how that might make white people feel.

I look at the ad and think, neither of those people represent me, this ad isn't meant for me, and so it's kind of meaningless to me. But there will be a great deal of people from ethnic minorities who'll feel a strong connection with it and it might be enough to urge them to vote whereas they might have otherwise not done. Isn't that a good thing?

I just think in cases like this, even if something is perceived as having negative connotations towards white people, we should just put up with it to be honest. White men have it good enough in society to be able to take the occasional hit if the cause is worthwhile.

[stvdno]

Originally Posted by Jamie89

I think it's only really offensive if you look at the poster assuming that the white man depicted is meant to represent all white males. I don't think it is though. It's showing one example of the reality that a lot of ethnic minorities face, and why shouldn't that be highlighted? Should it not be highlighted because of the risk of upsetting the white males who aren't represented in the ad?

The whole point of the ad is to get more to people to vote (people who are British but are sometimes made to feel like they aren't), and that's a really difficult thing to do so an ad like this needs to be powerful, and most importantly, not pander to the wants of the white population. It needs to give a message that people of ethnic minorities can relate to, regardless of how that might make white people feel.

I look at the ad and think, neither of those people represent me, this ad isn't meant for me, and so it's kind of meaningless to me. But there will be a great deal of people from ethnic minorities who'll feel a strong connection with it and it might be enough to urge them to vote whereas they might have otherwise not done. Isn't that a good thing?

I just think in cases like this, even if something is perceived as having negative connotations towards white people, we should just put up with it to be honest. White men have it good enough in society to be able to take the occasional hit if the cause is worthwhile.

You appear to be inciting racism!!!

[Livia]

The message for me is this: Don't be a white man with tattoos and a shaven head or you're fair game for every lazy stereotype-merchant in the business. And you will be told not to take offence.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

The message for me is this: Don't be a white man with tattoos and a shaven head or you're fair game for every lazy stereotype-merchant in the business. And you will be told not to take offence.

Now that's not entirely true either though, is it. His clothing (white shirt, light blue jeans, high boots) is practically "white supremacist skinhead" uniform. All he's missing is the green bomber jacket. Stereotype? Yes, but it's a very specific one and doesn't include "all white men with tattoos and a bald head", nor does it suggest that all men of that description are white supremacists.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Now that's not entirely true either though, is it. His clothing (white shirt, light blue jeans, high boots) is practically "white supremacist skinhead" uniform. All he's missing is the green bomber jacket. Stereotype? Yes, but it's a very specific one and doesn't include "all white men with tattoos and a bald head", nor does it suggest that all men of that description are white supremacists.

I am very partial to 18 hole ox-blood dms and the odd fred perry

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

Now that's not entirely true either though, is it. His clothing (white shirt, light blue jeans, high boots) is practically "white supremacist skinhead" uniform. All he's missing is the green bomber jacket. Stereotype? Yes, but it's a very specific one and doesn't include "all white men with tattoos and a bald head", nor does it suggest that all men of that description are white supremacists.

If you want to judge every book by its cover, then you crack on TS. But while you're feeling at liberty tojudge him because you consider his clothing to be "practically white supremacist" garb, don't for God's sake make the same shallow judgement about someone wearing a hijab, will you... or there'll be hell to pay.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

If you want to judge every book by its cover, then you crack on TS. But while you're feeling at liberty tojudge him because you consider his clothing to be "practically white supremacist" garb, don't for God's sake make the same shallow judgement about someone wearing a hijab, will you... or there'll be hell to pay.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Utter nonsense Livia, no one steps out of their front door wearing what the guy in that picture is wearing without it being a deliberate statement. Come on. It's like seeing someone wearing a space suit and saying "Don't be judgemental guys, don't assume he's dressed as an astronaut, he might just be feeling chilly!"

[user104658]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

I am very partial to 18 hole ox-blood dms and the odd fred perry

Yeah... but this is legit the first result on google when you type in "The Leather Trumpet Youth".

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Utter nonsense Livia, no one steps out of their front door wearing what the guy in that picture is wearing without it being a deliberate statement. Come on. It's like seeing someone wearing a space suit and saying "Don't be judgemental guys, don't assume he's dressed as an astronaut, he might just be feeling chilly!"

I understand that you never consider the fact you may be wrong TS, and I know that you feel free to speak to me like I'm a child who's never had an original thought... but overlooking all that... your premise that it's okay to stereotype some people on what they're wearing but not others is utterly preposterous. You'll be telling me next that the woman in the short skirt is a slut.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Livia

I understand that you never consider the fact you may be wrong TS, and I know that you feel free to speak to me like I'm a child who's never had an original thought... but overlooking all that... your premise that it's okay to stereotype some people on what they're wearing but not others is utterly preposterous. You'll be telling me next that the woman in the short skirt is a slut.

I'll admit it, I might be wrong. He might be a really nice skinhead. In fact, all skinheads might be stand-up members of the community. They're just misunderstood!

[user104658]

He even has the red braces ffs . The only way they could make it more obvious what they're going for is if they had a swastika on his forehead.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I guess how I interpreted it is more in the future than now in that if ethnic voters don't use their vote../have their say, then that becomes more a 'white Britain' or an all white Britain because their voices aren't being heard../being registered...so the 'skinhead' type person is representing an all white country...I think that they're trying to portray a 'powerful white person' in a representation of what the majority of voters are and have been and a 'weak ethnic person', also representing that many ethnic people don't use their vote...

I personally don't see the need for this poster as it is, however I would take it as you have interpreted it too overall.

[user104658]

Look at their angry faces! This is from a film! Abhorrent stereotyping of poor skinheaded young men who simply enjoy comfy braces and don't want their jeans to fall down. Awful. They're only after a cup of tea!

[Livia]

And a woman in a very short skirt is a slut.

And someone wearing Muslim garb is a terrorist.

Let's play the stereotype game! It's fun...

[Ammi]

...wearing an astronaut suit would be representative of what someone does for a living though, so not the same thing at all as describing a stereotype...

...anyway, off topic...I have to say that even though my views are different to Liv's...she's not really saying anything different to what many have said in the thread previously but I am noticing that with you TS..you very often only quote her posts as the ones you will choose to 'disagree with'...and in a way, as Liv has just said of..'don't be silly Livia'...'rubbish Livia' and etc, etc..in a very condescending and patronising way...not a way anyway, which would open any debate and communication between you both, so it doesn't seem as though that's actually the purpose....it's starting to feel 'singling out' and it's starting to feel uncomfortable ..(in quite a few threads..)...


..(sorry Liv, but it's something I've noticed and I couldn't not say anything..)...