[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

No it doesn't.

And my kind of busy is a bit different to most people's which has made it hard for me to probably be able to ever vote on anything in Politics after this result.

Anyone can get a postal vote. You mark the box and post it,how is anyone too busy for that?

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

Redundant Post

The Economy being important is a redundant post to you?

And you wonder why I have a low opinion of the Leave campaigning when all I catch is silly posts/tweets like this.

[letmein]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm not voting on a vendetta. I do not believe in the European project, I do not share their views and ideals. I've wanted to vote on Europe for most of my adult life. I was too young last time. I voted for our economy and to release us from restrictions and trade deficit so that we can flourish. I don't think you have read extensively on the issues from some of the things you are saying but please don't presume we are all as uninformed.

There will be no flourishing. You can't do business without doing business with the EU (if you're doing business with European countries). That's the great irony. No one is going to invest in Britain now. Britain's economy is officially DONE. The debt is going to skyrocket and people aren't going to be able to afford jacksh-t. Good luck. Britain now has no seat at the table. It will have no power economically or politically.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything

Stuff that hurts this country should not be being given out to the public.

The people that voted to Leave thought with their heart instead of their head.

[AnnieK]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

No it doesn't.

And my kind of busy is a bit different to most people's which has made it hard for me to probably be able to ever vote on anything in Politics after this result.

Can you say why you are so busy mock? That might help people understand why you couldn't vote

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Glenn.

Clearly

Or it could be the fact that I've got a lot of drama going on in my life that's distracted me away from the Referendum.

But of course it's my fault for having financial problems hit the family and focusing to keep us off the street instead of voting to Remain in the EU.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

Even David Cameron said before the referendum campaign that Britain would manage fine out of the EU.He only changed his mind when campaigning began just like with his Turkey u-turn.Will we be better off economically in the long run?Only time will tell but we are'nt going to sink.
These so called 'experts' have a track record for either getting things wrong or missing them completely.Not to mention some are EU funded.Project fear from remain about doomsday and WW3 did'nt wash with the intellegent people of this country who saw right through it.

As for why does it matter if you did'nt vote?Are you being serious?It's people with that attitude that lost this referendum for the remain side.If you and the many more people like you had used your democratic right to vote then we may still be an EU member now.You can't rely on anyone to use your vote.Only you and all the other non voters can use it.
To complain about the result after truly deserves this

To vote to Leave when thinking that it's gonna end Immigration, and break us away from the European Court of Law deserves this.facepalm:: laugh3:

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Or it could be the fact that I've got a lot of drama going on in my life that's distracted me away from the Referendum.

But of course it's my fault for having financial problems hit the family and focusing to keep us off the street instead of voting to Remain in the EU.

I'm sorry for your problems. We all have problems and we still manage to vote and do other things. My family collapsed when I was a teenager because my father had both his legs amputated. It was hard times.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I'm not trying to be 'clever' Mock, I am just trying to illustrate to you that you know so very little about a subject matter which you are now so vociferous about.

Admonishing and reproaching and insulting members for their 'informed' choices when you are so clearly ignorant of the subject under discussion, is pure folly.

You are simply NOT qualified to make the erroneous and sweeping statements which you are making.

The Leave campaigners are not informed.

A lot of them don't even know that we voted the UKIP to represent us in the EU ffs.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Stuff that hurts this country should not be being given out to the public.

The people that voted to Leave thought with their heart instead of their head.

you miss the point. It doesnt matter if the voter knows every detail on a subject to vote. There is no intelligence test to vote. That is one of the fundamental principles of democracy. The other principle is that you accept the result. Without that, you may as well live in a dictatorship. Somehow, i think you will find that option much, much worse.

[Kyle]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Can you say why you are so busy mock? That might help people understand why you couldn't vote

People need to be schooled on the Internet. It's a full time occupation that.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jaxie

You can flip all you like. but that still doesn't change the fact that you are angry and complaining because you didn't vote and other people didn't achieve your desires for you. That's just barmy.

I'm angry that I didn't vote, I'm angry that other people didn't vote that wanted to Remain, I'm angry that people damaged our Economy because of a few niggles, I'm angry that we could lose Scotland because of this, I'm angry that people on here on the Leave side have been so rude not just today but throughout the entire campaign making up stuff about what the EU is about and then pretend that the other person isn't "informed" because they point out a less perfect picture of our UK Government.

I am also angry that David Cameron gave out this Referendum knowing that the Out vote was always gonna get a surge in the vote because the more negative side of anything is gonna attract more passion and more people to vote from that side than the positive option.

I'm angry that the Media favoured the Leave campaign so blatantly yet nothing has been done to reprimand them about it because our stupid Laws makes them be able to not be impartial on important matters such as a Referendum.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

and what have the remainers been saying about the benefits of being in the EU?

A better Economy
A much happier Scotland
Tighter relations with America and Japan
Tighter relations with our Neighbours (Europe)
And Boris Johnson doesn't become Tory leader for just that little bit longer

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jaxie

Anyone can get a postal vote. You mark the box and post it,how is anyone too busy for that?

I've kind of given you hints as to why I can't do that.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Smithy

No he isn't, he lied about being able to spend £350 million a week on the NHS

He did not lie Smithy. Our wasted £20 billion pounds per year to the failed mess that is the EU (HALF A TRILLION POUNDS UP TO NOW!) COULD and SHOULD be spent right here in this country.

Where Nigel Farage erred, was in saying it WOULD be spent here, and his error was compounded by the fact that he is not in any position of power which would enable him to make that decision.

What Farage has done, is made it possible for the electorate of tbis country to impose their collective will upon the Government and FORCE them to allocate these collossal sums to the NHS and Education, and to our services, because we KNOW about this money. We KNOW the amounts. It is NOT hidden, and the Government can be made publicly accountable for it.

The Government cannot secretly utilise this money on other matters - in the way Cameron covertly paid over £34 billion pounds of UK taxpayers money to the EU to help it make good the £259 billion deficit in the EU Budget caused by fraud and embezzlement - we did NOT know about this until AFTER the event, but this £20 Billion+ PA is different.

We KNOW about it and it is money which the UK Treasury cannot hide, so it is now up to us as voters and taxpayers to ensure that we FORCE them to spend on the NHS etc.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

A better Economy
A much happier Scotland
Tighter relations with America and Japan
Tighter relations with our Neighbours (Europe)
And Boris Johnson doesn't become Tory leader for just that little bit longer

A better Economy - better means nothing and no one knows the markets

A much happier Scotland - true

Tighter relations with our Neighbours (Europe) - that is not the reality of people like Norway who are not members at all


And Boris Johnson doesn't become Tory leader for just that little bit longer - and the better tory choice is?

[Suze]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i can't help but laugh. We had a democratic option to vote yes or no ... and we got a democratic result. Thats what being democratic is all about. I didnt vote for brexit, but it was the will of the people, so you accept it and move forward. Insulting people who didnt agree with you will not achieve anything

Spot on.

It will be debated of course, but some also need to try and respect others choices also for whatever reasons for voting to stay or leave. We are each given that vote to use how we choose to use it not how some might prefer us to.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by AnnieK

Can you say why you are so busy mock? That might help people understand why you couldn't vote

It's a bit too personal, but I think that I've given enough hints as to why I couldn't do it through Postal in particular.

But it doesn't matter anyway people can complain about the result no matter if they've voted or not.

The only ones that can't complain about the result are the Leavers when they hate it being out of the EU as they did vote for this after all.

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kyle

People need to be schooled on the Internet. It's a full time occupation that.

Welcome back Kyle - great to see you posting.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Nigel will be having a few fags and a few ales tonight

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I'm sorry for your problems. We all have problems and we still manage to vote and do other things. My family collapsed when I was a teenager because my father had both his legs amputated. It was hard times.

I'm sorry to hear about your Dad.

But tbh it's not exactly easy to vote when you're just trying to live through the day which is practically over for me now.

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

He did not lie Smithy. Our wasted £20 billion pounds per year to the failed mess that is the EU (HALF A TRILLION POUNDS UP TO NOW!) COULD and SHOULD be spent right here in this country.

Where Nigel Farage erred, was in saying it WOULD be spent here, and his error was compounded by the fact that he is not in any position of power which would enable him to make that decision.

What Farage has done, is made it possible for the electorate of tbis country to impose their collective will upon the Government and FORCE them to allocate these collossal sums to the NHS and Education, and to our services, because we KNOW about this money. We KNOW the amounts. It is NOT hidden, and the Government can be made publicly accountable for it.

The Government cannot secretly utilise this money on other matters - in the way Cameron covertly paid over £34 billion pounds of UK taxpayers money to the EU to help it make good the £259 billion deficit in the EU Budget caused by fraud and embezzlement - we did NOT know about this until AFTER the event, but this £20 Billion+ PA is different.

We KNOW about it and it is money which the UK Treasury cannot hide, so it is now up to us as voters and taxpayers to ensure that we FORCE them to spend on the NHS etc.

The money will just go into the MP's back pockets instead of being spent on the NHS or any other fundamental services.

Farage, Cameron, Corbyn, Sturgeon etc do not care about the people's health that's in the lower classes, that just needs to be accepted sadly.

[Suze]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Nigel will be having a few fags and a few ales tonight

I wanted something to celebrate, more on Cameron resigning than the vote, though they go hand in hand. For me a few muller corners will have to suffice and/or maybe a trifle

[Mystic Mock]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

A better Economy - better means nothing and no one knows the markets

A much happier Scotland - true

Tighter relations with our Neighbours (Europe) - that is not the reality of people like Norway who are not members at all


And Boris Johnson doesn't become Tory leader for just that little bit longer - and the better tory choice is?

A better Economy is the most important thing about this Remain vs Leave campaign.

And we're much closer with the EU countries than we are with Norway Politically.

And tbh I can't believe I'm saying this but I would just keep the Pig ****er.

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Mystic Mock

Okay we do make our own laws, they just have to pass through the European Court of Law (which btw has absolutely nothing to do with what the EU is about) And if you've read my other posts in this thread you know that I've said it's not Xenophobic to want tighter boarders on Immigration, it's just when people seem to be so venomous about any form of Immigration at all (which a lot of Leavers have been) it does look prejudiced which you've got to admit can look that way from an outside perspective?

And we could've elected our own European representatives in the EU, but instead we voted UKIP who didn't even attend the meetings, so of course we didn't get anything that we wanted.

And who said about giving priority to foreigners? It's just that we need some Immigration to survive in this current climate and Immigration will still happen anyway it will just instead come from backward countries like Saudi Arabia now.

Er no....
1.The EU Commissioners(who are appointed.Not elected)make EU laws which are then passed down to the European Parliament(not the European court of law which you speak of).We do not make the laws the unelected Commissioners do.

2.Your "alot of leavers" are venomous about any form of immigration is pure speculation.You have'nt spoken to or even heard the opinions of "alot" of leavers you've only heard from a tiny amount of leavers so have no clue on the opinions of "alot" of leavers and "it does look prejudiced" means nothing."it does look predjudiced" to you.

3.We do have representatives in the EU Parliament who do turn up but only have a tiny voice as they are outnumbered 27-1.We can't get "anything we wanted".

4.If we are not bound by EU law to take unlimited EU immigration then we can pick and choose whoever we want without having to discriminate one part of the world over another.The point is that it is up to us and if we decide that we want more Indian doctors or Polish builders or whatever then that is our decision.