[hot2go]

Originally Posted by jet

When you said this:


....I interpreted that as saying it's more understandable that Lewis could get away with doing awful things like making Heavy say please and thank you for stolen drinks because he is young and Heavy isn't. As Lewis was the bigger idiot last night by far I don't really know what else that quote means?

If you read the sentence again I didn't say YOU called Heavy D names about his weight, I said Lewis did.

Sorry if it seemed you accused me of disliking him for his size and looks but it was tagged onto the post that was all about me and you didn't make it clear it wasn't...I really didn't like that Jet but we have crossed wires obviously...im not here to fall out with you.
Heavy D acts like he's one of East 17 but he's 43...I find that irritating. I did as soon as he arrived in the house. I like the rivalry between Bear and Aubrey even though what she did to him was a disgrace, so I think the reason I don't like seeing Heavy take people down is because what he did to Chloe was without any provocation and just mean...therefore he lost any respect from me even if what the others were doing was also wrong.
" The dumb act he uses as his celebrity image " is what I said he's too old to pull off....and he is...if that's the best he's got its twenty years out of date and it's not working for me but it's clear others like that. Also by 43 we are supposed to have learnt how to manage situations in a different way to that of a 23 year old.....watching those two last night you would think they were the same age in every way. I think he's really immature and immaturity is what young people have and its supoosed to diminish as we get older.

[jet]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Sorry if it seemed you accused me of disliking him for his size and looks but it was tagged onto the post that was all about me and you didn't make it clear it wasn't...I really didn't like that Jet but we have crossed wires obviously...im not here to fall out with you.
Heavy D acts like he's one of East 17 but he's 43...I find that irritating. I did as soon as he arrived in the house. I like the rivalry between Bear and Aubrey even though what she did to him was a disgrace, so I think the reason I don't like seeing Heavy take people down is because what he did to Chloe was without any provocation and just mean...therefore he lost any respect from me even if what the others were doing was also wrong.
" The dumb act he uses as his celebrity image " is what I said he's too old to pull off....and he is...if that's the best he's got its twenty years out of date and it's not working for me but it's clear others like that. Also by 43 we are supposed to have learnt how to manage situations in a different way to that of a 23 year old.....watching those two last night you would think they were the same age in every way. I think he's really immature and immaturity is what young people have and its supoosed to diminish as we get older.

Sorry about that h2go, it was a different post of mine you were referring to, I see that now, and I agree I made it sound as if you didn't like Heavy because he was fat...my mistake, it was a general comment, I know you have never ran him down for his weight, and wouldn't.
As for immaturity, give me someone who is immature for their age (and I'm not convinced Heavy really is) over someone who is an arrogant self - entitled bully like Lewis any day....I know which one I'd be on the side of...

On a side note, some young people are very mature, some aren't, some older people are very mature, some aren't, it isn't cut and dried.

[Jan S]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Sorry if it seemed you accused me of disliking him for his size and looks but it was tagged onto the post that was all about me and you didn't make it clear it wasn't...I really didn't like that Jet but we have crossed wires obviously...im not here to fall out with you.
Heavy D acts like he's one of East 17 but he's 43...I find that irritating. I did as soon as he arrived in the house. I like the rivalry between Bear and Aubrey even though what she did to him was a disgrace, so I think the reason I don't like seeing Heavy take people down is because what he did to Chloe was without any provocation and just mean...therefore he lost any respect from me even if what the others were doing was also wrong.
" The dumb act he uses as his celebrity image " is what I said he's too old to pull off....and he is...if that's the best he's got its twenty years out of date and it's not working for me but it's clear others like that. Also by 43 we are supposed to have learnt how to manage situations in a different way to that of a 23 year old.....watching those two last night you would think they were the same age in every way. I think he's really immature and immaturity is what young people have and its supoosed to diminish as we get older.

his celebrity persona is horrendous, but some of us are able to see past that and try to base our conclusions (ever-shifting ) on the actual person. i'm not sure i've seen anyone here defending his Heavy D caricature.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by Jan S

his celebrity persona is horrendous, but some of us are able to see past that and try to base our conclusions (ever-shifting ) on the actual person. i'm not sure i've seen anyone here defending his Heavy D caricature.

I try to look past the celebrity persona but it's hard when that persona is one I dislike so much....I think because he seems to be in it 24/7 and I don't like it, makes it hard to digest...which I'm sure is exactly how it must feel for people who don't like Bears persona...Heavys voice irritates me so much but it's a voice that hits all the buttons for me....Bears voice is irritating other people cause it hits all their buttons....sometimes our assessments are based on just their behaviour but sometimes it's based on the type of personality they are.....I disliked Bear on launch night on sight before he upset anyone...and each thing he's done since that I find ugly just fits with my perception of him on launch night.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by Jan S

his celebrity persona is horrendous, but some of us are able to see past that and try to base our conclusions (ever-shifting ) on the actual person. i'm not sure i've seen anyone here defending his Heavy D caricature.

Absolutely agree -

I love Bear and Heavy D - cant deal with Lewis and Marnie.

[sungrass]

Originally Posted by hot2go

Sorry if it seemed you accused me of disliking him for his size and looks but it was tagged onto the post that was all about me and you didn't make it clear it wasn't...I really didn't like that Jet but we have crossed wires obviously...im not here to fall out with you.
Heavy D acts like he's one of East 17 but he's 43...I find that irritating. I did as soon as he arrived in the house. I like the rivalry between Bear and Aubrey even though what she did to him was a disgrace, so I think the reason I don't like seeing Heavy take people down is because what he did to Chloe was without any provocation and just mean...therefore he lost any respect from me even if what the others were doing was also wrong.
" The dumb act he uses as his celebrity image " is what I said he's too old to pull off....and he is...if that's the best he's got its twenty years out of date and it's not working for me but it's clear others like that. Also by 43 we are supposed to have learnt how to manage situations in a different way to that of a 23 year old.....watching those two last night you would think they were the same age in every way. I think he's really immature and immaturity is what young people have and its supoosed to diminish as we get older.

Im watching it right now and they re all taunting him "coo eee" taking the mick out of his T shirt - all three of them -they are ostracising him and baiting him.

Its not about maturity its the fact that those three show no respect to anyone else - they stole that wine, they tried to wind him up. They re awfull. Bears alright to me because I think once Lewis is gone Bears more friendly side will come out.

Wish Lewis and Marnie would just leave already. Im tired of the arguing and want to see more humour in the tasks etc. Still miss BB17.

[hot2go]

Originally Posted by sungrass

Im watching it right now and they re all taunting him "coo eee" taking the mick out of his T shirt - all three of them -they are ostracising him and baiting him.

Its not about maturity its the fact that those three show no respect to anyone else - they stole that wine, they tried to wind him up. They re awfull. Bears alright to me because I think once Lewis is gone Bears more friendly side will come out.

Wish Lewis and Marnie would just leave already. Im tired of the arguing and want to see more humour in the tasks etc. Still miss BB17.

I actually don't feel sorry for Heavy but I also don't like Marnie and Lewis....Heavy taunts people himself and what he got last night was no worse than what he gave out to Chloe, sorry no sympathy from me.....but Bear didn't get involved last night until the point where he tried to stop Lewis making an even bigger mistake ...Bear didn't take the drinks or laugh about doing so...he was in the garden when Lewis and Marnie did that.....Some people are saying Bear was part of a Bully Group picking on Heavy, other people say he was a coward and was put in his place by Heavy...be nice if all the Heavy fans could at least unite with one story and stick to it...and even better if they could focus on the real version which was Bear wasn't part of it, neither was he trying to be or hiding from it....I think he was just enjoying having a ring side seat for once with the others

[Santa's NaughtiNess]

Originally Posted by hot2go

I actually don't feel sorry for Heavy but I also don't like Marnie and Lewis....Heavy taunts people himself and what he got last night was no worse than what he gave out to Chloe, sorry no sympathy from me.....but Bear didn't get involved last night until the point where he tried to stop Lewis making an even bigger mistake ...Bear didn't take the drinks or laugh about doing so...he was in the garden when Lewis and Marnie did that.....Some people are saying Bear was part of a Bully Group picking on Heavy, other people say he was a coward and was put in his place by Heavy...be nice if all the Heavy fans could at least unite with one story and stick to it...and even better if they could focus on the real version which was Bear wasn't part of it, neither was he trying to be or hiding from it....I think he was just enjoying having a ring side seat for once with the others

He had no part in it. Bear actually tried to stop Heavy D and Lewis from coming to blows.