[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Spoiler:

That FIRST spoiler is so hilarious, but that lowest Right Hand one.

[Kizzy]

Thousands of Muslims from around the world converged on the UK for a convention where they rejected extremism and violence of terror groups such as Isis.

More than 30,000 members of the Ahmadiyya Islamic movement met at Oakland Farm in Hampshire for a three-day convention, the 50th time the annual event has taken place.

On the final day, attendees were led by the global Caliph of the movement in a vow of peace and and a pledge of allegiance to their home countries "The only thing the terrorists are achieving is to completely violate the teachings of the Holy Quran and of the Holy Prophet Muhammad," His Holiness Hazrat Mirza Masroor Ahmad told attendees, according to the MailOnline.

"Let it be clear that they are not practising Islam, rather it seems as though they have invented their own hate-filled and poisonous religion."


http://www.independent.co.uk/news/uk...-a7191306.html

[Livia]

They had a convention. Well... that'll show IS. 30,000 of them having a weekend away is probably not going to have much of an impact on the millions of radical Muslims in the world.

[Kizzy]

Have people not been bleating that Muslims are not doing anything to denounce extremist violence?... Then when they do it's not enough :/

[billy123]

I dont know how many people Muslim terrorists have murdered in the west but im willing to bet it isnt as many as the 4 million people the western terrorists have murdered in wars in the middle east since 1990.
You would have to be pretty stupid not to realise why some might view the west as an enemy and as terrorists.

http://www.middleeasteye.net/columns...-1990-39149394

Why is it so hard for some people to accept that we are just as guilty of being horrible murderous wankers as anyone else is? Maybe even more so.
Is it really that suprising that some people hate the west to the point that they want revenge?

Until we stop murdering,pillaging and trying to force our own ideals on the rest of the world then we have no right to complain.

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have people not been bleating that Muslims are not doing anything to denounce extremist violence?... Then when they do it's not enough :/

It doesn't matter what Muslims do, some people feel that they need to hold on to their hate even though it's illogical and hypocritical since we don't make out that all Christians are peadophiles and must atone for a priest feeling up a kid every time it happens. Every time a Chrstian person does a terrible act people will always say 'oh but he isn't a REAL Christian' and they'll basically excuse the religious angle as long as the person is white and christian but ALL Muslims must atone for the acts of an extreme minority.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

It doesn't matter what Muslims do, some people feel that they need to hold on to their hate even though it's illogical and hypocritical since we don't make out that all Christians are peadophiles and must atone for a priest feeling up a kid every time it happens. Every time a Chrstian person does a terrible act people will always say 'oh but he isn't a REAL Christian' and they'll basically excuse the religious angle as long as the person is white and christian but ALL Muslims must atone for the acts of an extreme minority.

Is everyone who thinks Islam is a violent faith "hypocritical and illogical"?

Catholic priests don't abuse children in the name of Christianity, Muslim terrorist do kill in the name of Islam. There isn't much of an analogy there, I'm afraid.

People acting in the name of Islam are on a killing spree right now, across the world. And they don't go for the clean kill, they crucify, they dismember, they skin, they cut babies in half in front of their parents... this isn't movie stuff, this is really happening. I've been to Jordan, I've been to the camps... I've heard the sh1t that goes on and I've heard it first hand.

I'm not going to answer your suggestion that, so long as people are white, then that's okay because frankly it's beneath contempt.

Getting together for a weekend and denouncing violence isn't enough. Moderate Muslims need to step up more because it's mostly THEY who are being slaughtered. Those Muslims living the soft life in the West need to speak up for their brothers and sisters in UN camps right now their homes destroyed and their loved ones dead.

The "extreme minority" of which you speak runs into MILLIONS. And every time anyone suggests Islam is dangerous and violent we have post after post suggesting that the majority of Muslims are peaceful. Well... we know that. And we know that 30,000 Muslims "from across the world" getting together and denouncing violence is like me throwing stones into the sea because there are sharks in there.

[Kizzy]

the analogy being the cloak of religion is used as a cover for evil deeds... That is how I understand it.
The sickening descriptors aren't necessary either for me.

Are those Muslims living the 'soft life' those born here, why then do they have to speak for anyone... why are they 'brothers and sisters'?
Surely this is 'stepping up' too, it's a positive non violent message hopefully it vibrates and expands rapidly.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have people not been bleating that Muslims are not doing anything to denounce extremist violence?... Then when they do it's not enough :/

Since when is asking people to condem violence seen as 'bleating'?

[Crimson Dynamo]

For all the Muslims saying ISIS are not proper Muslims etc

Can you tell me who decides what the correct interpretation is?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Since when is asking people to condem violence seen as 'bleating'?

Since they are presuming is isn't already being asked naturally...

[Northern Monkey]

It should and could be peaceful.But it needs to evolve to be so.It is still a relatively young religion.

[Maru]

Does the media in the UK openly talk about Muslim vs. Muslim/World crimes? We don't get a lot of specifics here... mostly it's the terror vs US angle.

[Livia]

Originally Posted by Maru

Does the media in the UK openly talk about Muslim vs. Muslim/World crimes? We don't get a lot of specifics here... mostly it's the terror vs US angle.

I'd say it gets quite a bit of coverage, although I suspect there will be people here who disagree. I was pleased that recently the UN camps have been the subject of a couple of documentaries. We also have quite a bit of coverage of the refugee crisis. Honestly? I don't know what we'd all do without access to the Internet, it's so liberating to be able to get a variety of news from around the world.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Maru

Does the media in the UK openly talk about Muslim vs. Muslim/World crimes? We don't get a lot of specifics here... mostly it's the terror vs US angle.

It gets brief mention in the headlines, very little or zero meaningful coverage in the mainstream media. Apparently that's because of "distance", but 5 deaths in Australia or the USA will get significantly more coverage than 1000 deaths in the Middle East.

You need to look at alternative / online news sources for anything else. The sad fact is, it just doesn't sell.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by Northern Monkey

It should and could be peaceful.But it needs to evolve to be so.It is still a relatively young religion.

I think that's probably right

[Northern Monkey]

Originally Posted by Maru

Does the media in the UK openly talk about Muslim vs. Muslim/World crimes? We don't get a lot of specifics here... mostly it's the terror vs US angle.

You can watch the Al Jazeera news channel for Middle Eastern stuff.

[Crimson Dynamo]

it needs to be eradicated from the UK and people "taught" evidence based logic, thought and reality if needs be. Why we tolerate any religion in 2016 is beyond me

and no town council should be allowed to build any mosque, in fact i would systematically close them one by one

or use them for youth clubs and craft fairs

[Kizzy]

Agreed, the idea that there is a 'house of god' is ridic.

[waterhog]

Originally Posted by Liberty4eva

Well...do you?

I think you need a clearer poll with these options

the true islam
or
the corrupted islam.

as you see from the choices they are very similar but the big difference is the corrupt islam has no peace .

so my reply is simply - yes islam is peaceful but the people that corrupt it to mean what they are fighting for is not at all peaceful.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

For all the Muslims saying ISIS are not proper Muslims etc

Can you tell me who decides what the correct interpretation is?

No one. It's called a personal opinion/belief.

That's the whole point.

If religion was proven and came down to one thing then there'd be no atheists and everyone would have the same interpretation wouldn't they?

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

it needs to be eradicated from the UK and people "taught" evidence based logic, thought and reality if needs be. Why we tolerate any religion in 2016 is beyond me

and no town council should be allowed to build any mosque, in fact i would systematically close them one by one

or use them for youth clubs and craft fairs

So on the one hand you don't want people being "taught" religion, yet on the other you want any beliefs people have to be eradicated and people "taught" to be intolerant of such things?

Okey dokey.

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Agreed, the idea that there is a 'house of god' is ridic.

To you maybe.

Why should the country/world bend to suit your belief or lack thereof?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Marsh.

To you maybe.

Why should the country/world bend to suit your belief or lack thereof?

Yeah to me that's why I said it just there... I never said anyone should bend anything :/


pfff...

[Marsh.]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Yeah to me that's why I said it just there... I never said anyone should bend anything :/


pfff...

You "Agreed" with LT about systematically closing mosques down one by one, reason being apparently because you personally don't see a use or reason for them? The councils should not be allowed to open them because you find the idea of a house of God "ridic".