[Ammi]

...ughh, I wish that I could say things with a few words but can you imagine as a parent, how it must have felt..being at that party and a huge negativity for your child in the editing/media etc having built up through the series and then just pop a little alcohol in there as well...but that's the thing though the 'reactions' have often been extreme in the house and then become the 'worse behaviour' ..but that's what has been purposefully and relentlessly provoked for and why I've disliked the series so much because it's only ever shown the 'worst of'....

[Ammi]

..I probably said that already, I don't know../..I'm off and I'm gone...

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

...ughh, I wish that I could say things with a few words but can you imagine as a parent, how it must have felt..being at that party and a huge negativity for your child in the editing/media etc having built up through the series and then just pop a little alcohol in there as well...but that's the thing though the 'reactions' have often been extreme in the house and then become the 'worse behaviour' ..but that's what has been purposefully and relentlessly provoked for and why I've disliked the series so much because it's only ever shown the 'worst of'....

i hear where you are coming from Ammi, but at the end of the day we all have to deal with the stresses and strains life throws at us and the majority manage to keep there tempers etc in check, so I'm not one for making excuses.

I hated bear, but what his father does or doesnt do is just not relevant to me. Does it suggest that perhaps "the norms" are different in the bear household compared to others .... possibly .... but I think we could all have guessed that already from bears behaviour in the house.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

i hear where you are coming from Ammi, but at the end of the day we all have to deal with the stresses and strains life throws at us and the majority manage to keep there tempers etc in check, so I'm not one for making excuses.

I hated bear, but what his father does or doesnt do is just not relevant to me. Does it suggest that perhaps "the norms" are different in the bear household compared to others .... possibly .... but I think we could all have guessed that already from bears behaviour in the house.

.....hmmm, I don't think that it would suggest that for me though...I mean, there's Bear's brother as well, is it Danny..?...he seems a very level a person in him trying to calm the situation with his dad...also the 'product' of his parent's influence etc.../there again that's only judging by this very bite-size of Bear's family in a very emotionally heightened situation... but that's what his dad is being judged on as to the parent he is...also his mum as well as being very down-trodden to be part of the family, I just can't imagine how that must make her feel because this is her husband and son/the people that she loves and being sympathised with because of her family../wow, one of the most hurtful things to have to experience for her...and she was probably just exhausted anyway/the whole family would have been with the few days leading up to the final../physically and emotionally exhausted I would think...


...anyways, this is another reason why I can't ever be on board with a series like this and the creating of an extreme antagonist like Bear, to make it so much about one person etc in such a negative way...because these are real people and real families etc and being called scum and stuff like that and it's actually evoking real life hate, you know....and there are some loonies out there/hate filled loonies who are capable of physical harm..and I do feel that BB has a responsibility there in how they portray people and to create a balance much more than this series has....

[bots]

Originally Posted by Ammi

.....hmmm, I don't think that it would suggest that for me though...I mean, there's Bear's brother as well, is it Danny..?...he seems a very level a person in him trying to calm the situation with his dad...also the 'product' of his parent's influence etc.../there again that's only judging by this very bite-size of Bear's family in a very emotionally heightened situation... but that's what his dad is being judged on as to the parent he is...also his mum as well as being very down-trodden to be part of the family, I just can't imagine how that must make her feel because this is her husband and son/the people that she loves and being sympathised with because of her family../wow, one of the most hurtful things to have to experience for her...and she was probably just exhausted anyway/the whole family would have been with the few days leading up to the final../physically and emotionally exhausted I would think...


...anyways, this is another reason why I can't ever be on board with a series like this and the creating of an extreme antagonist like Bear, to make it so much about one person etc in such a negative way...because these are real people and real families etc and being called scum and stuff like that and it's actually evoking real life hate, you know....and there are some loonies out there/hate filled loonies who are capable of physical harm..and I do feel that BB has a responsibility there in how they portray people and to create a balance much more than this series has....

I can't be on board with it either Ammi, for so many reasons, but mainly because it is at a minimum contrived/manipulated and at a maximum directed/scripted. It is filled with the TV companies own employees with a view to promoting its other trash shows. So it is basically exploiting the goodwill associated with the BB brand to further its own brands. Its no longer a social experiment, its trash, exploitative TV.

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

I can't be on board with it either Ammi, for so many reasons, but mainly because it is at a minimum contrived/manipulated and at a maximum directed/scripted. It is filled with the TV companies own employees with a view to promoting its other trash shows. So it is basically exploiting the goodwill associated with the BB brand to further its own brands. Its no longer a social experiment, its trash, exploitative TV.

...hmmm, I'm not entirely sure of it not still being a social experiment, bitontheslide because surely it's the social experiment of being able to create an antagonist character like Bear and then that antagonist become the 'people's favourite', as in he won/got the most votes etc...is that in itself not a social experiment or can be seen as one...?...the thing is with BB, which is quite unique from any other 'trash reality TV'...is that those have more of a specific demographic of fans/viewers etc...but with BB, it wants us to look at behaviour/'morals' as it were, etc ...it wants all of these discussions to take place, it doesn't want us to just accept Bear as a game-player and a 'character' etc../it wants the divides that it creates etc and no-one really being right and no-one really being wrong, but just the very creation of two different perspectives, which was less necessary back in the day....but hmmm..(because there is so much reality trash TV and so much choice..)...every viewers/fan that it may lose through a series like this is one that couldn't be afforded to lose...(mind you they might gain some as well, I guess so out with the old and in with the new....)...