[AProducer'sWetDream]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

People can try and paint the picture however they like, but the junior doctors are holding the country to ransom. This is not like a train cancellation, this is peoples lives. These are the very people that signed up to being in a position of trust, and they are killing any trust anyone could have in them. Yes, they may well win their battle in the short term, but not in the long term, believe me. No good will come from it.

So they should just lie down and let this governemnt destroy the NHS?

[bots]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

So they should just lie down and let this governemnt destroy the NHS?

The government is not destroying the NHS and it is ridiculous to suggest that they are. Does it approach its running differently from a Labour government? Yes it does, but that doesn't make it wrong. Labour showed all to well how to **** up the NHS during their time in office

[user104658]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

The government is not destroying the NHS and it is ridiculous to suggest that they are. Does it approach its running differently from a Labour government? Yes it does, but that doesn't make it wrong. Labour showed all to well how to **** up the NHS during their time in office

This (meaning Tory post 2010) government demonstrably *is* systematically dismantling the NHS, whether you choose to believe it or not. The size of the NHS means it has always had deep problems but the major failings, which are increasing, have been cynically crafted by a Tory government that wants a switch to private, insurance-funded health care but simply cannot say so explicitly because of how (rightly) unpopular it would be.

They are shifting us to private health care through the back door, and making such palatable by creating situations that erode the publics faith in the NHS. There's really no two ways about that.

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

This (meaning Tory post 2010) government demonstrably *is* systematically dismantling the NHS, whether you choose to believe it or not. The size of the NHS means it has always had deep problems but the major failings, which are increasing, have been cynically crafted by a Tory government that wants a switch to private, insurance-funded health care but simply cannot say so explicitly because of how (rightly) unpopular it would be.

They are shifting us to private health care through the back door, and making such palatable by creating situations that erode the publics faith in the NHS. There's really no two ways about that.

sometimes privatising certain areas is better..compare the computer systems in nhs wales to nhs england...this is why englands waiting lists are way way shorter...they have a national database....the mindless socialist unionist way of non thinking is what brought about the collapse of coal too...they must find a compromise they must engage their brains

..especially when the service still remains free and the service and waiting lists fall...in the end thats all that matters

[the truth]

Originally Posted by AProducer'sWetDream

So they should just lie down and let this governemnt destroy the NHS?

labour did that....remmeber mrsa everywhere at 70 times the rate of sweden?
remember the endless cover ups and abuses? 1500 patients died of thirst in stafford....doctors admitted they were bullied and intimidated not to complain, the ombudsmen and complaints system collapsed....endless cover ups, in wales they took body parts without authorisation....the waiting lists in wales under labour are insane compared to england....the way its run with these monstrous trusts is totally wasteful and corrupt and in many ways plain stupid....their block booking systems are crazy, you cant get scanned at weekends, you cant get your test results for simple things like eye tests for up to 6 to 10 weeks? in england you get the results the same day

the welsh nhs is an absolute shambles