[the truth]

Originally Posted by Dezzy

I do hope you have the money to cover medical expenses in the future because attitudes like that will lead to the NHS becoming nothing but a memory.

Without Junior Doctors we are ****ed. The hours that Hospital Staff work is ridiculous and unsustainable and the Tories know that an they rely on people like you who are quick to blame the Junior Doctors to aid in the destruction of the NHS.

Working long hours almost every day is ridiculous and unhealthy and Jeremy Hunt knows it. He's just pushing the whole 7 day plan as a way to destroy the NHS. There aren't enough medical staff to sustain his plans and making them work for less is only going to drive future medical students into the private sector or into another line of work altogether.

If you want the NHS to survive you have to support the JD's, swallowing the Tory bull**** will only lead to it's ruin.

dont you understand simple maths? this new contract means they work LESS hours

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

dont you understand simple maths? this new contract means they work LESS hours

So if jr drs are already stretched how is asking them to work less going to work? Recruit more... Just have wards staffed with nurse practitioners?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

So if jr drs are already stretched how is asking them to work less going to work? Recruit more... Just have wards staffed with nurse practitioners?

again its really simple maths...at present less than a third work weekends and the mass of workload falls on those few junior doctors who overwork up to 91 hours..under the new contracts they all work some weekends so the workload is spread more evenly throughout ALL junior doctors...please understand this basic fact. forget tory v labour for a moment. this is why all huge organizations use these 4 day on 4 day off continental work shift patterns. the nhs should of course do exactly the same.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by the truth

again its really simple maths...at present less than a third work weekends and the mass of workload falls on those few junior doctors who overwork up to 91 hours..under the new contracts they all work some weekends so the workload is spread more evenly throughout ALL junior doctors...please understand this basic fact. forget tory v labour for a moment. this is why all huge organizations use these 4 day on 4 day off continental work shift patterns. the nhs should of course do exactly the same.

Again who is going to fund this?

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Again who is going to fund this?

if you read what i said properly, you dont need extra money, money is not always the answer , you just change where the money is going...

1) scrap some health boards and concentrate more into less
2) massive overhaul of who sits on these boards and earns a fortune. why do we need so many people on massive salaraies who are not medically qualified and do not save lives
3) when we build hospital lifts ensure all parts are available long term in this country. many hospital lifts become extoncy effectively after a few yrs as we cant get the parts. this is mindless
4) 4 day on 4 day off work shifts for EVERYONE. this ensures the standards are maintaiend, this massively reduces the waiting lists as hospitals dont half close down at weekends then start up again monday
5) early testing will save a fortune in medication, in staffing, in bed blocking etc
6) getting people scanned and cured ealrier means more people working paying into the system, less people needing sickness benefits...both put more money into the system
7) the stronger ombudesmen will allow contructive criticisms to be made privately and then acted on to improve the system
8) write an nhs constitution so that every buys into the culture and has an over view of what the nhs is for and what its mant to achieve. its for the patients , period
9) gp 2004 contracts scrapped so they must do some out of hours. again takes pressure off the nhs and saves them money long term
10) recruiting staff outside the eu will save billions , at the moment billions are wasted on paying for temporary staffing. outside the eu we can recuit as many doctors and nurses permanently outside the eu , this will save tens of billions

There are almost infinite inefficiencies in the nhs....having a uk wide database for all waiting lists is the best way forward....if you need urgent scanning for kidney stones go on the uk national database and guess what you may get seen in a week rather than 6 months....wouldnt you travel to north wales for a day if it saved you 6 months of agony?


one other massive area they are getting it right in scotland and wrong everywhere else is in scotland

where they have merged the social care with the nhs care udner 1 roof
in england and wales the social are permanently at war with the nhs over who covers what care and who pays for it

its insane and it destroys families too

all under 1 roof....this saves the endless back and forth
it saves the endless ridiculous battles over caring for people at home too

furthermore the nhs need to ensure all patients who do have private care policies actually utilise these policies to cover some of these expenses

for example if you had a £20,000 per annum care policy but your care at home costs £40,000 there is no reason why the patients cant use £20,000 of his policy then the nhs covers the rest....this saves them £20,000 a year
multiply that by the millions cared for at home and your taling billions per annum

this saldy is NOT the way its done now...usually this private policy money is not cashed in and the nhs loses billions and the insurance companies are let off the hook

its just stupid

[the truth]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Again who is going to fund this?

again it doesnt need more money

[Tom4784]

Originally Posted by the truth

dont you understand simple maths? this new contract means they work LESS hours

Please, tell me more about these millionaire JDs.