[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

It's on French soil so they will have control over logistics, I can't imagine them handing that over to the UK seeing as the camp residents are being bussed to various Areas in France. The UK are handling the movement of minors who have links to the UK but the French suspended that for 24 hours so they are in control

Our govt has been aware of the situation, the timescales involved and the dubs amendment.. they were, as always woefully ill prepared but what did we expect? #brexit

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Our govt has been aware of the situation, the timescales involved and the dubs amendment.. they were, as always woefully ill prepared but what did we expect? #brexit

Yes but the key here is the camp is not in the UK

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes but the key here is the camp is not in the UK

Never let the facts get in the way of a good ole anti-UK non-argument.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Yes but the key here is the camp is not in the UK

It's a border... we have equal responsibility.
There are agreements made between countries, also we have a duty to aid both the people in the camps and the French, that is key here.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a border... we have equal responsibility.
There are agreements made between countries, also we have a duty to aid both the people in the camps and the French, that is key here.

The UK were only allowed into the camp in the last week to locate the minors, where is the equality in that? the UK are contributing 39 million to help clear the camp, and relocate the migrants, as well as taking over half of the minors

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

The UK were only allowed into the camp in the last week to locate the minors, where is the equality in that? the UK are contributing 39 million to help clear the camp, and relocate the migrants, as well as taking over half of the minors

Many charities involved (UK and French) have been well aware of the numbers and locations of the unaccompanied child refugees for a very long time Cherie.
I'm sorry but the 'our hand were tied' ' we didn't know' tack is transparent.
How many unaccompanied minors are there, how do you know we are taking over half of them?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Many charities involved (UK and French) have been well aware of the numbers and locations of the unaccompanied child refugees for a very long time Cherie.
I'm sorry but the 'our hand were tied' ' we didn't know' tack is transparent.
How many unaccompanied minors are there, how do you know we are taking over half of them?

Because there is a census of sorts maybe we are taking more than half and the French have made up the numbers

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Because there is a census of sorts maybe we are taking more than half and the French have made up the numbers

Where is this census?

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

It's a border... we have equal responsibility.
There are agreements made between countries, also we have a duty to aid both the people in the camps and the French, that is key here.

Its not on our side of the border though, so responsibility is not equal. We have no jurisdiction on French soil, and the illegal camp is on French soil, not UK soil.

I have to say, with winter approaching fast, if we are concerned about humanitarian issues, we should be looking at our homeless in the UK. They have far less protection, security and facilities available to them than the immigrants on French soil. We actually have no duty what so ever to look after anyone in the French camps.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Its not on our side of the border though, so responsibility is not equal. We have no jurisdiction on French soil, and the illegal camp is on French soil, not UK soil.

I have to say, with winter approaching fast, if we are concerned about humanitarian issues, we should be looking at our homeless in the UK. They have far less protection, security and facilities available to them than the immigrants on French soil. We actually have no duty what so ever to look after anyone in the French camps.

we have camps under the North Circular, who is helping them?

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by Cherie

we have camps under the North Circular, who is helping them?

Have you asked them?

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Have you asked them?

No one, according to a report on the London news, these are people who are working in the capital as well but cant afford to rent

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

Its not on our side of the border though, so responsibility is not equal. We have no jurisdiction on French soil, and the illegal camp is on French soil, not UK soil.

I have to say, with winter approaching fast, if we are concerned about humanitarian issues, we should be looking at our homeless in the UK. They have far less protection, security and facilities available to them than the immigrants on French soil. We actually have no duty what so ever to look after anyone in the French camps.

Incorrect, under the dubs amendment we do.

[bots]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Incorrect, under the dubs amendment we do.

If someone in Australia buys a ticket to come to the UK, appears at Sydney airport for the flight, but doesn't have a visa, he will be told he can't travel, and cheerio.

We are not duty bound to take care of anyone not legally eligible to come to our country. End of.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by bitontheslide

If someone in Australia buys a ticket to come to the UK, appears at Sydney airport for the flight, but doesn't have a visa, he will be told he can't travel, and cheerio.

We are not duty bound to take care of anyone not legally eligible to come to our country. End of.

We are legally obliged.

'Lord Dubs, the Labour peer who earlier this year masterminded a political coup forcing the government to promise to give sanctuary to some unaccompanied child refugees, usually comes across as an upbeat figure, not inclined to wallow in despair. Today he seems momentarily overwhelmed by the horrific situation facing about 860 children living here in second-hand camping tents and flimsy wooden shacks. Given the amount of energy he has dedicated to trying to help them, and the complete absence of any progress to date, he has every reason to feel depressed.

“It is a disgrace. A piece of legislation was passed with enormous public support, and the government has done nothing discernible about it,” he says. As a former child refugee himself, brought to Britain from Czechoslovakia on one of the Kindertransport trains in 1939, his sense of anger at the political inaction is particularly acute.'

[kirklancaster]

Originally Posted by Kizzy

Incorrect, under the dubs amendment we do.

To be precise, The Dubs Amendment applies ONLY to unaccompanied CHILDREN - NOT adults, NOT to children with parents, and especially NOT to SKANKING ADULTS PRETENDING TO BE CHILDREN.

There is now also NO preset number of just how many unaccompanied children we have to take under the Dubs Amendment - that being subject now to the discretion of individual councils within the UK.

So, with respect, it is YOU not BOTS who is 'incorrect'.

[Kizzy]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

To be precise, The Dubs Amendment applies ONLY to unaccompanied CHILDREN - NOT adults, NOT to children with parents, and especially NOT to SKANKING ADULTS PRETENDING TO BE CHILDREN.

There is now also NO preset number of just how many unaccompanied children we have to take under the Dubs Amendment - that being subject now to the discretion of individual councils within the UK.

So, with respect, it is YOU not BOTS who is 'incorrect'.

I have been addressing the issue in relation to children for the past 4 pages...