[arista]

Trump went to a Rally of LGBT folks

So Clinton

FECK OFF

[Mokka]

What a great speech

I can see why such a stong, competent, articulate woman is so vile to the men who would vilify her.... we wouldn't want a woman, who displayed the same capabilities of a man, in power...how will we keep claiming they are the weaker sex

[Jamie89]

Originally Posted by kirklancaster

I think we need to 'put our own house in order' first Jamie, before we even begin to wonder at the American Electoral System:

UKIP increased its share of the vote in the last General Election by 10 percentage points to a total of 3.9 million and wound up with just one constituency under the UK's first-past-the-post voting system.

Under the D'Hondt system of converting votes to seats, UKIP would have gained 83 seats.

Labour would have won far less seats and the Tories 75 less seats, and the SNP's 50 seat increase would have been just 25.

The unfairness of our current voting system is best illustrated by the fact that UKIP required more than 100 times as many votes for its lone elected MP than the Conservatives did for each of theirs.

Politics is a funny old game Jamie innit?

Funny's the right word, you have to laugh The fact that we have an election system in place that gives a result that doesn't reflect how the public have actually voted. It's madness!

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by jet

So for the biggest and most important job in the free world no experience or qualifications are necessary - and that is acceptable to many? What in the **** is that all about? What a joke....

This.

It is unbelievable.

[joeysteele]

Originally Posted by Mokka

What a great speech

I can see why such a stong, competent, articulate woman is so vile to the men who would vilify her.... we wouldn't want a woman, who displayed the same capabilities of a man, in power...how will we keep claiming they are the weaker sex

It was a great speech, I have always admired Hillary's commitment and determination,ever since becoming aware of her.

I think she warranted the chance of being President,certainly moreso than the person who has been given it.

Both these candidates have some dubious and concerning elements to them, as many politicians and world leaders have too.
Perhaps nothing really criminal however and she has been investigated and cleared twice now.
However it is incredible that the really awful and sickening things that Trump has come out with are swept under the carpet while at the same time the bypassing of that as to him, has real acidic and insulting unsubstantiated accusations, personal and otherwise continually against Hillary Clinton.

It really makes you wonder, well it does me anyway.

Good speech indeed from her.

I would also join Trump happily on one thing in his speech, that is to acknowledge that 'Americans owe Hillary a major debt of gratitude for her service to the USA'.
well done to him for saying that, at long last.

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by joeysteele

This.

It is unbelievable.

It's democratic politics.

It's not hard to fathom

[Northern Monkey]

Although I didn't like either candidate.I do kind of feel safer now i know Hitlary isn't in charge.She hates Russia and blames them when she breaks a nail.She would've taken us extremely close to a major war with them and China.Specially with her insane and idiotic plans for no fly zone over Syria.It would've taken a week at most before she'd have knocked a Russian jet out of the sky.
Trump on the other hand is pretty anti war from all he's said including the wars in the middle east.His wall had already been suggested by Killary before him.
Hillary with nuke codes in her possession is a far more dangerous prospect for me than Trump who i think will try to work with Russia to defeat ISIS instead of funding them.

[Northern Monkey]

Hitlary would've been the Kim Jong Un of the free world imo

[Shaun]

Now that she's politically irrelevant can we drop back from the 14 year old nicknames for her?

[reece(:]

[jet]

Building the wall was a metaphor now apparently. What a fake Trump is...get the votes, then backtrack...here we go...

[empire]

trump has saved the world from having a nuclear holocaust, and is to restore good relations with russia and putin, if hillary won, ww3 would happen, trump will stop his country from giving weapons to the syrian rebels who are no different from isis, and will dump the house of saudi arabia, and will pull his troops from the russian border,

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by jet

Building the wall was a metaphor now apparently. What a fake Trump is...get the votes, then backtrack...here we go...

Isn't that a good thing

[EspeonBB]

Originally Posted by jet

Building the wall was a metaphor now apparently. What a fake Trump is...get the votes, then backtrack...here we go...

I don't think the wall was ever going to happen (or if it was Mexico certainly wasn't going to pay for it). Same goes for the Muslim ban.

[arista]

thats much better Lady

[arista]

Originally Posted by EspeonBB

I don't think the wall was ever going to happen (or if it was Mexico certainly wasn't going to pay for it). Same goes for the Muslim ban.

That was Modified
to Terror nation's ban


The Wall will go ahead

[jet]

Originally Posted by Cherie

Isn't that a good thing

Obviously. I was pointing out that Trump is no different from the rest, saying what his followers want to hear until he gets the votes, then re- writing the script.

[Ammi]

..I found Hilary's speech quite hollow in feeling which is the niggly thing I've always had about her...that's she's 'perfect' in content and a great public speaker etc/very polished and especially in comparison to Sir Trump... but she just doesn't look like she feels it..she's generally very unconvincing I find.. like she just says the right thing and all the words perfect but no passion at all in things she's said...but I thought the content/pretty perfect.....

[Jack_]

This is a good piece (albeit a tad excessive in parts)

https://samkriss.com/2016/11/09/how-you-lost-the-world/

The Democrats need to do some serious soul searching over the next four years to ensure they don't pick such a ineffectual candidate.

[GiRTh]

Originally Posted by arista

Girth
You and I knew
he could Win


BLAME CLINTONS

After the latest e-mail revelation I became quite concerned that it was going to be close but always thought she'd win.

Three weeks ago I tuned into MSNBC and they were having a laugh trying to work out if HRC would get 400 votes assuming she'd easily get the 270 needed to win. Everyone was so far off the mark they should be embarrassed.

Gonna be interesting to see what he does. Obviously he cant do about 70 % of the things he said he was gonna do so lets see what he does, if anything.

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Ammi

..I found Hilary's speech quite hollow in feeling which is the niggly thing I've always had about her...that's she's 'perfect' in content and a great public speaker etc/very polished and especially in comparison to Sir Trump... but she just doesn't look like she feels it..she's generally very unconvincing I find.. like she just says the right thing and all the words perfect but no passion at all in things she's said...but I thought the content/pretty perfect.....

I very, very much doubt that she wrote the speech herself.

[Denver]

I feel sorry for anyone in the USA who isnt a straight white male

[Ammi]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

I very, very much doubt that she wrote the speech herself.

...yeah I realise that TS..but, but, but.....I would think that all or most speeches are written for them...(with maybe some input from themselves in some cases..)...but it's more that someone like barrack for instance..?...always made me feel that his words were meant in how he delivered so I believed in him and I believed a sincerity..(whether rightly so or wrongly so..)...but with Hilary in all of her speeches, it's always felt that she's paying lip service even though she say all of the right things as we would expect.../she's just felt quite 'cold' to me...

[Kizzy]

#calexit... it's a thing

[Kizzy]

There is some good news...

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/news/2016...-usa-if-trump/