[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Ach away, everyone always remembers things as better, it is what it is but it depends on what people think it should be?

If people think it should be all posts of 5 inches long with everyone saying "yes that is an excellent post but if I may, can I pick up on one point you brilliantly made and offer a counter idea if I may be so bold" then they may be dissapointed.

Its just us lot discussing things that hit the headlines and tomorrow are gone. Its not like its Question Time or owt.


"I remember when we all debated and had a laugh and left our doors open and the Police were much taller.."

my arse

Well being a moderator I think I have a better perspective of how bloody annoying it is now to moderate SDs as opposed to last year for example.

I'm not saying people should all agree with eachother either, that's totally taking what i said and making up your own conclusion. People should be able to talk about the actual subjects without insulting the person they're debating with though...like grown ups

[Crimson Dynamo]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well being a moderator I think I have a better perspective of how bloody annoying it is now to moderate SDs as opposed to last year for example.

I'm not saying people should all agree with eachother either, that's totally taking what i said and making up your own conclusion. People should be able to talk about the actual subjects without insulting the person they're debating with though...like grown ups

Do you mean that you are just getting more "reports"

(I would disable it in SD tbh)

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by LeatherTrumpet

Do you mean that you are just getting more "reports"

(I would disable it in SD tbh)

why? SDs isn't exempt from the rules of the forum

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

why? SDs isn't exempt from the rules of the forum

I've played with the idea of making a "Wild West" subsection in the past... and just remove general visibility of it from the forum tree (i.e. no info on posts, last thread, etc)... and just letting the arguments finish there with really limited capabilities (like no images, hourly post limits, etc )... just for ****s and giggles... That is so strange to me... most un-moderated places of the net are the crack dens of the interwebs. I'd take a few unnecessarily deleted posts, a few unnice mods, over that any day of the week... and the mods here are really nice about it...

On the other hand, most users these days (any site) seem to care less about transparency... they want that magic to happen, but then they don't like seeing mod notices in their own posts sometimes... well, how do you get a general idea or who is and isn't moderating fairly and that your freedom of speech is being honored? You don't... hence why people instead accuse left and right... and really they do it as a free service, it's not something we are entitled to... it is a private site after all.

I haven't had an infraction or ban in so many years. The only time I was banned from a site was because the owner was a true cockwomble of the highest caliber and I and a few other people were asking common sense questions about his strange business ethics... he didn't like those questions. So we were banned under the rug and I just left it there because I was thinking of quitting there anyway... only he ended up in court a few years later with a mass user exodus over a tarnished rep because he ripped so many people off.

Anyway, TiBB is no where close to being a badly run site imo.... I feel like give credit where it is due. This site really is a privilege that we all share. Even if there are a few unfair shakes and questionable bans/edits/deletes here and there... the mods have been more than willing to listen to all suggestions. Most places just delete or lock threads when those things come up because of the inevitable drama... They're like **** you, if you don't like it... leave?

Several people have in numbers mentioned they don't like coming to this section for several reasons... a vast majority of them center around a small minority of users. There are other people who use the site too and they feel their enjoyment of it is impacted by a small minority of the user base who can just as easily remove their personal impediments by utilizing ignore. Something the forum has provided actually as the intended solution to this problem. Mods are really just there to keep threads on track and make sure everything runs the way that it is intended... they are not meant to manage personal grievances on here... instead of doubling the mod's work, why not just utilize ignore as a courtesy to the mod team? That way SD can at least a become a little bit more pleasant... maybe then more people will come post and it will be enjoyed by all, not just "justice served" for a small minority... because let's be realistic, the trolling will never stop on some people's ends... at least do this so we can all enjoy SD more. I've been baited too and those go instantly people are on my squished list. It doesn't have to be for any real particular reason other than they bait you .... we filter people in real life all the time... not everyone will get along ... nobody does. It's unrealistic to believe all will.

I mean how do you feel when you walk into a shop and the stuff is missing/gone through or otherwise left unkempt with food spilled on seats and product because of a certain uncourteous individuals... that's how I feel when I come into SD sometimes... so keep the section nicer for other people by keeping the personal issues to PM. That's courtesy. Otherwise, SD will remain as it is... it'll be the ASDA (I guess it's like a Walmart...) of TiBB... and the only people to blame will be those who don't care about enough about maintaining it for others. It's a community, so that's who it should be managed by.

[Cherie]

Originally Posted by Maru

I've played with the idea of making a "Wild West" subsection in the past... and just remove general visibility of it from the forum tree (i.e. no info on posts, last thread, etc)... and just letting the arguments finish there with really limited capabilities (like no images, hourly post limits, etc )... just for ****s and giggles... That is so strange to me... most un-moderated places of the net are the crack dens of the interwebs. I'd take a few unnecessarily deleted posts, a few unnice mods, over that any day of the week... and the mods here are really nice about it...

On the other hand, most users these days (any site) seem to care less about transparency... they want that magic to happen, but then they don't like seeing mod notices in their own posts sometimes... well, how do you get a general idea or who is and isn't moderating fairly and that your freedom of speech is being honored? You don't... hence why people instead accuse left and right... and really they do it as a free service, it's not something we are entitled to... it is a private site after all.

I haven't had an infraction or ban in so many years. The only time I was banned from a site was because the owner was a true cockwomble of the highest caliber and I and a few other people were asking common sense questions about his strange business ethics... he didn't like those questions. So we were banned under the rug and I just left it there because I was thinking of quitting there anyway... only he ended up in court a few years later with a mass user exodus over a tarnished rep because he ripped so many people off.

Anyway, TiBB is no where close to being a badly run site imo.... I feel like give credit where it is due. This site really is a privilege that we all share. Even if there are a few unfair shakes and questionable bans/edits/deletes here and there... the mods have been more than willing to listen to all suggestions. Most places just delete or lock threads when those things come up because of the inevitable drama... They're like **** you, if you don't like it... leave?

Several people have in numbers mentioned they don't like coming to this section for several reasons... a vast majority of them center around a small minority of users. There are other people who use the site too and they feel their enjoyment of it is impacted by a small minority of the user base who can just as easily remove their personal impediments by utilizing ignore. Something the forum has provided actually as the intended solution to this problem. Mods are really just there to keep threads on track and make sure everything runs the way that it is intended... they are not meant to manage personal grievances on here... instead of doubling the mod's work, why not just utilize ignore as a courtesy to the mod team? That way SD can at least a become a little bit more pleasant... maybe then more people will come post and it will be enjoyed by all, not just "justice served" for a small minority... because let's be realistic, the trolling will never stop on some people's ends... at least do this so we can all enjoy SD more. I've been baited too and those go instantly people are on my squished list. It doesn't have to be for any real particular reason other than they bait you .... we filter people in real life all the time... not everyone will get along ... nobody does. It's unrealistic to believe all will.

I mean how do you feel when you walk into a shop and the stuff is missing/gone through or otherwise left unkempt with food spilled on seats and product because of a certain uncourteous individuals... that's how I feel when I come into SD sometimes... so keep the section nicer for other people by keeping the personal issues to PM. That's courtesy. Otherwise, SD will remain as it is... it'll be the ASDA (I guess it's like a Walmart...) of TiBB... and the only people to blame will be those who don't care about enough about maintaining it for others. It's a community, so that's who it should be managed by.

I don't actually think it's that big a deal, but that just me maybe

[user104658]

Originally Posted by Maru

Several people have in numbers mentioned they don't like coming to this section for several reasons... a vast majority of them center around a small minority of users. There are other people who use the site too and they feel their enjoyment of it is impacted by a small minority of the user base who can just as easily remove their personal impediments by utilizing ignore. Something the forum has provided actually as the intended solution to this problem. Mods are really just there to keep threads on track and make sure everything runs the way that it is intended... they are not meant to manage personal grievances on here... instead of doubling the mod's work, why not just utilize ignore as a courtesy to the mod team? That way SD can at least a become a little bit more pleasant... maybe then more people will come post and it will be enjoyed by all, not just "justice served" for a small minority... because let's be realistic, the trolling will never stop on some people's ends... at least do this so we can all enjoy SD more. I've been baited too and those go instantly people are on my squished list. It doesn't have to be for any real particular reason other than they bait you .... we filter people in real life all the time... not everyone will get along ... nobody does. It's unrealistic to believe all will.

The problem is that TiBB and especially SD's has a relatively small user base and that creates problems with the ignore function. If two frequently-posting, "high-impact" members have each other on ignore, threads can very quickly become confusing and disjointed. Not just for the people using ignore, but for everyone. If multiple people have multiple others on ignore the effect is even worse. I have had a few people on my ignore list in the past but it literally has to be limited to those who don't post often, and ONLY really post to wind people up... as soon as you stick a member who posts "key" thread-altering posts on ignore, no matter how much their posts irritate you, everything becomes much harder to follow.

Plus if someone else quotes them you see the post anyway .

[Maru]

Originally Posted by Toy Soldier

The problem is that TiBB and especially SD's has a relatively small user base and that creates problems with the ignore function. If two frequently-posting, "high-impact" members have each other on ignore, threads can very quickly become confusing and disjointed. Not just for the people using ignore, but for everyone. If multiple people have multiple others on ignore the effect is even worse. I have had a few people on my ignore list in the past but it literally has to be limited to those who don't post often, and ONLY really post to wind people up... as soon as you stick a member who posts "key" thread-altering posts on ignore, no matter how much their posts irritate you, everything becomes much harder to follow.

Plus if someone else quotes them you see the post anyway .

I agree with that in general and maybe my commentary is colored by own experiences. Like, when I have requested other people to use ignore, they expect mods to be the court of law instead of taking it upon themselves to fix the situation. They are so deep in the drama, with no objective ROI that can be see by anyone (personal or discussion-wise), that they would rather fight it out in the forum than do what would be easier for really everyone and just keep it either scan their posts or add that person to ignore. Maybe it's my reading style, but the people I have on my list are not people I would necessarily miss as they are generally people involved in other aspects of discussions that I don't necessarily care for (like petty fights). Of course if someone carries discussions well, then I'm going to overlook the littler things because to me that would still make them a good poster to follow... Others are just temporary because I often see them in the list and forget why they were even there in the first place Maybe I didn't like their BB favorite or something...

[Ammi]

..I tried putting someone on ignore once just to see what it looked like to have someone on ignore and yeah, it would stop the flow of the thread and topic if the person that was on ignore was someone who was hugely participating and active in that thread so it's not an ideal either, we all have our own self ignore button..our own decision and ability to be able to ignore what isn't relevant and what we think is personal while carrying on with the topic and using the report button if we feel it's appropriate..(sorry Niamh, more work..)...

..in thinking about this a bit I think maybe Cherie's right to some extent in that a lot in SD isn't really that much different to how it has always been in the time I've known it.../different faces but same old story in that there will always be fundamental clashes, it's just part of life and differing personalities etc...and I think it's showing honesty about that as well and accepting any part played..ten people or so might have posted something similar but only one post often being 'picked out' and so often also being responded to with hostility, whatever the topic and whatever the thread...also some posts 'invite' that picking out with 'some people in this thread/some people here' type comments...I mean when two tribes want to go to war as it were and pointedly pick out posts because it's a specific tribe then realistically the ignore button is the last thing that is going to be used because those are the posts that have become all relevant in specifically wanting to see them..and the opposing opinions are fine/they're what help to induce thought..it's just accepting and part of the personal stuff and accepting any infractions/bans etc that might incur there and being too absorbed in whether others got infracted or not...just accepting responsibility really and that any 'fault' was all our own....


...anyways, I think what has been the case though is that this year has been a particularly negative year for news stories and a highly volatile political time as well..the threads have felt samey because the news has largely been samey so opinions to it all will obviously be samey as well...Brexit/USA elections and immigration playing a large part in media reporting with both...so we really haven't has a lot to branch out of and stretch ourselves really...(and also maybe why things do seem as though they're carried from one thread to another because threads can feel 'extensions of other threads etc../the topics so similar and covering the same ground..)...all just a really negative media year and uncertain time for us all in so many ways...and I think also, well I'll only speak for myself..whatever is going on in a thread and however side-tracked it may be getting with personal stuff etc...I'll still join it if I want to comment on a topic but the times I don't are more me and maybe I'm in a 'can't be bothered today' vibe, so more my own perspective on a specific day.../that's really all that changes for me...

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

Well being a moderator I think I have a better perspective of how bloody annoying it is now to moderate SDs as opposed to last year for example.

I'm not saying people should all agree with eachother either, that's totally taking what i said and making up your own conclusion. People should be able to talk about the actual subjects without insulting the person they're debating with though...like grown ups

I wasn't here last year, you're making me paranoid now.

[Niamh.]

Originally Posted by jaxie

I wasn't here last year, you're making me paranoid now.

I don't think it's down to that, in my personal opinion, I think it's probably because less people post there now so you end up talking to the same people all the time and things end up going round in circles and personalities clash

[jaxie]

Originally Posted by Niamh.

I don't think it's down to that, in my personal opinion, I think it's probably because less people post there now so you end up talking to the same people all the time and things end up going round in circles and personalities clash

I think that's a pretty accurate assessment actually.

I also think that the far left assume anyone whose view differs is far right which in many cases isn't accurate but causes a fair bit of friction.